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Gary Mannion tested by German scientists over 10days

Post by Inge on Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:11 pm

Last day of the official research period, this time, with Prof. Kruse and Dr Bauder from Germany. Many tests with scientific measurement devices like motion and air quality sensors, inside and outside the cabinet, have been completed and analysed and camera footage was obtained on several occasions. The outcomes clearly ruled out that the phenomena were actively produced by the medium. The medium has again, as always, allowed any tests to be attempted to bring greater understanding to the scientific community regarding 'unexplained phenomena’ within a seance room. Many of these results were achieved in red or blue light, and during this morning’s session in white light. The medium achieved many milestones within the last 18 months and it includes working in full and partial lightened séance conditions and filming during seances with cam recorders and thermal imaging. This will in the future enhance the understanding about physical mediumship phenomena and educate sitters of all possibilities to create the best environment for the spirit team to work in. It will hopefully increase awareness and unbiased discussions, which are based on facts and observations, rather than personal opinions and prejudice. Spirit teams aim to reproduce the same phenomena in different circles throughout the world. The video footage and raw data of this research will remain with the investigation team, who were advised by the spirit team not to share it publicly at this moment in time. We can report on the processes and outcomes, but unable to post the raw data and footage. This will undoubtedly create more controversy and discussions, but we will adhere to the instructions given.

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Post by hiorta on Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:50 pm

Best and most hopeful news on this topic for several years now.
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Post by Admin on Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:13 pm

Well who knows Hiorta, we will pass this info onto the legitimate researchers we know (some of whom have written on this forum) for feed back in terms of Mannion and Wallacia centre I will wait this validation. The tracking of Mannion, as a probable fraud, is all to comprehensive to be wiped out by comments from German investigators who are also supporting Kai Muegge despite the obvious problems which Braude and Nahm have written about.

I will go with the protocols now in place, the PN Truth in PM campaign. I note some comments, elsewhere on teh net, that Mannion is, somewhat rightly, aggrieved that Banyan singled him out but never their two friends messrs Thompson and Milligan. I believe he feels one of them, possibly DT, pushed for this because of jealously, my feedback is, if they pushed, more because they both felt Gary was a fraud; from their experience and feedback from seance visitors. I believe that feel they are the only 2 genuine PM's. Interesting mish mash of conflicts that only the new protocols will put right, but Thompson and Milligan will not work with these. Banyan have had Milligan back on, in the dark but only to those who fit selected criteria.
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Post by Inge on Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:10 am

Thank you Paul and hiorta for your comments. My post here is not about anything other than offering our findings through scientific testing and to explain the procedures taken place (on Wallacia fb page) in order to be able to present the results. In no way do I want to create any unfruitful discussions relating to comparisons of others' protocols. The greater picture is to provide education for others to use as they see fit and make up their own mind without being influenced by others opinions. Hence, working towards creating a larger database of scientific evidence.

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Post by hiorta on Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:40 am

Apart from Queenie Nixon I've taken the view that so-called physical mediumship is fraudulent, but I would happily acknowledge my error if it could be shown otherwise. It would simplify life for so many if the various superstitions were  critically examined, in the light as it were. As far as has been shown PM has not been demonstrated.

It does feel to be possible, however.

The purer the instrument the better the result would also seem a Truth, so thoughts of envy, jealousy, financial gain, etc. may be automatic barriers to what is being attempted. Could it be that the main obstacle lies within our own thinking?
Elsewhere in these pages I recounted a conversation with Albert Best, some years ago now, in which he recounted a visit to a part of Africa.

Early one morning he rose and took a walk in the bush in a place of multiple paths criss-crossing each other. Walking along at random he saw a 'Black fellow' sitting by the path, beckoning to him to come with him. He did so and just off the path was a concealed temporary shelter with a small fire burning. Albert was told that his arrival had been awaited for 3 days, something he could not have anticipated.
Albert was signalled to sit down and in that smokey primitive sanctuary Albert's deceased family materialised.
An emotionally overwhelming and wonderful event for him.
Recalling events, he mentioned that his visit to Africa was arranged at short notice, few folk knew of it, nor of the stopover. Albert had never been there before nor had intended to take a stroll. And yet...
Albert opined that we - the White man know next to nothing of such matters.
If I could add that I knew Albert for some years, being a neighbour then and a more honest man would be hard to find.
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Post by mac on Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:04 pm

I just wonder if those involved are still trying to re-invent the wheel?

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Post by Admin on Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:30 pm

If they are Mac its the wrong type, they abandoned the square wheel way back in evolution.
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Post by Admin on Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:34 pm

I will start a new thread on that thought Mac as I am slowly getting some moe time, my spo called run down to retirement turned very busy with a lot of extra time on the two iconic South Austtralian Family businesses I work with. Good results though one acquired an iconic Aussie brand from Nestle Violet Crumble (Honeycomb) and the other finally came out of Adminstration paying 102 cents to the 100 after 5 tough years.
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Post by Inge on Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:03 pm

Dear hiorta, Thank you for this beautiful story. You are lucky to have known such amazing medium. I am a believer that there is a plan for humanity and we are just puppets in a play we have arranged before our incarnation into this world. To learn and grow. Our thinking needs to change from believing we are in control, and have any say in what happens in a seance room, to asking and learning. My experiences over the last 10 days taught me that with cooperation from both sides of life we can achieve great filmed and scientific evidence. This team has an agenda with this medium, which is to educate, work with our technology and materialization. Over the last  18 months, the team working with Gary worked towards light and now can work in bright red, blue or white light all night (when they keep energy mostly in the cabinet and phenomena close to the cabinet, as he demanded they only work in light, even when it made him sick). With this perseverance on both sides, they are now building forms of arms, feet and hands in light outside the cabinet, show ectoplasm extrusion from all orifices at the same time in good red or blue light and even white etc.,. So, yes I agree with you that it is possible. But my question is why do we need light? Is it just to please those who want to control PM? Does it not also point to the deep mistrust of sitters due to their fear of being duped, therefor the intention they bring to the seance would strongly disrupt the flow and that what a team has to work with also. It is well known that darkness aids the building of phenomena and stabilizes phenomena and therefore needs a lot less energy to maintain. Are we not showing that, again, we need to have control in PM? All we need to do is to  just trust and let spirit teams do what we agreed to participate in before incarnation. These testing results achieved, will move PM forward and educate those who want to learn. By providing proof that the medium is not involved in phenomena creation, it should lead to investigation of the question: "How is the phenomena created and by whom??". Which I am aiming to do. That is education and not just opinion or belief.  Albert Best is right - we know very little.

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Post by Admin on Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:22 pm

We can judge nothind without evidence Inge and light was a part of early Physical mediumship remember DD Home and Emma Hardinge Britten joined with many other notable figures in a campaign to ban darl seances. These luminaries prodiced phenomena.

If the individuals refuse this the only compromise is at the least Thermographic imaging, at teh best a combination of this a level of low light, pressuer pads on the floor etc. Ther has been far to much fraud perpetrated in teh dark, in history and now.

I believe it is possible to work in light, an ope Christmas Tree Seance of mine had table tipping with Spirit communicating, good gacial transfiguration over nearly all participants and we had some of the toys moving combination of dim red light, dimmed white halogen and daylight at dusk.

My Guides insist it is possible but full materialisation from ectoplasm are obsolete in a modern world reliant as it is on 19th C chemists as the original was supposed to be. However the original was full of fraud teh white cerow few and far between..

You may like to follow the history, https://www.spiritualismlink.com/t2043-light-and-psychological-review-lead-ban-on-dark-seances . this is when Emma became involved, however back in 1867 the National Association for USA also banned them despite a fight by Ira Davenport, I have a copy of a letter he sent to gather support to stop this motion. Notably the Davenports were named as one of several mediums who were perceived to be frauds. Then who could forget teh infra red disclosures at camp Chesterfield https://www.spiritualismlink.com/t507-camp-chesterfield-in-the-news-pre-lamar-keene

A full re working will eventually appear when Lis finishes her research and gets a book done.

As I suggested to Mac people are trying to re invent a square wheel.

Jim
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Post by obiwan on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:03 pm

Isn’t this the guy caught wandering round and stripping off on video?

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Post by mac on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:00 pm

I am shaking my head in disbelief and dismay - shidad! - at what I'm reading yet again about a practitioner who purports to be a physical medium.  

When are we?  The 21st century, a new millennium just started, and we're hearing that a  spirit team is working towards something that used to happen in the early years of the movement of Modern Spiritualism.  Even assuming this practitioner has some attributes enabling some level of physical mediumship, and assuming sufficient evidence is provided to persuade experienced and knowledgeable commentators and observers, one must wonder what the emerging mediumship will achieve.  

Put more directly, who cares if a medium can do what is claimed unless it's gonna move us forward and add to our knowledge and understanding of survival and what follows?  Is THAT what observers of the eventual mediumship can expect?  Or will they be going just to experience the production of the kind of physical phenomena that were experienced by observers many decades ago in a different century, a different millennium? The same old, same-old?

Do I sound unreasonably cynical!? Razz

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Post by mac on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:47 pm

obiwan wrote:Isn’t this the guy caught wandering round and stripping off on video?

Perhaps his collaborators are very forgiving or very forgetful, my duck friend?  Laughing Wink    Seriously, though, it doesn't seem so very long since his filmed deception - fraud - was being dicussed, debated and condemned.  Now he's seemingly rehabilitated and getting lauded for what he and his spirit team are achieving.  Rolling Eyes

I must be gettin' old 'cos I ain't buyin' any of it yet.
 No

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Post by obiwan on Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:29 pm

Hi Mac

Hope all’s well?

I’m with you on this. Show me the evidence. The fraud Mannion was caught in was so outrageous, I wouldn’t be prepared to entertain the word of some unknown researcher. I’m not saying he isn’t capable of genuine mediumship but he’s certainly been caught in fraud beyond question. He’s a bit of a busted flush really isn’t he?

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Post by mac on Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:34 pm

'mixed mediumship' is the twee description I've heard to describe fraud mixed with an element of what appears to be authentic mediumship. Rolling Eyes  

I have no time for those whose standards are so low that they cheat for money or even cheat for free.

I'm fine thanks and keeping my usual eye on what's being reported.  Wink  How are you and are you managing to find anything much of interest in the spiritual field?  You could always take a look here http://afterlifeforums.com if you feel like a change.  

Can't promise you'll find anything that appeals but you don't have to register to take a look.
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Post by obiwan on Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:52 pm

Hi Mac - I’ve sent you a PM.

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