Re: Investigation into the Mediumship of Kai Muegge

by Admin Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:19 am

baumer7 wrote:Hi Mac...how goes it:-)?
Hi Carrsam...Ecto still on floor when walking out. He has no gap in his teeth that I recall. When are the pics from that you see a gap? Actually...I just went to Facebook to see if I could see a recent pic...& I did...no gap...maybe I'll post it for you.

Hi Steve,

Been a long time but its good to see you on here again.

What you describe and the fact it was still there when you left the room is very unlike any recorded "ectoplasm". Now Kai has nicely rendered any negative arguments invalid by rewriting all the "rules" on PM even though there is 150+ years experience with it.

What you saw was very similar to what the two researchers have described in their research on Kai. Now they have rejected his work and the description of the "cobweb" used is startlingly similar to your experience. It would be well worth your while reading their meticulously researched papers.

I am still very concerned about Kai's ultimate plans. Whilst people buy his work as genuine and the two researchers have difficulties making their results change opinions I suspect he will continue giving séances around the world. Its a great life and a decent living so why not, even if the earnings per séance are declining as the supply of physical "mediums" increase. However, I always will go back to where the project started to make a film. I suspect when it hits it will give the medium sceptics a free kick revealing just how well he took in all the physical medium junkies, how he did it and everything he knows about the other high profile "mediums".

Could be interesting times especially as Kai is such a star on PM4U. I concur with Lis's summation of Kai's version of PM as posted on here; Gibberish. However, its appealing to some and allows him to pull just about any stunt in his mediumship.

Jim

by carrsam Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:54 am

Hi I'm new to this site so have to wait to add a link to the photos I talk about but I've started to make a noise on pm4u so people to wake up to this ....... He has put on line these photo and saying this is what happened when he can out of a deep meditation. Grab his phone in light and took these pics of his mouth and there is teeth difference ............. So he has lied about it so it brings into question the rest of this mediumship.

by carrsam Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:15 am

Warren has put this on the same link I put on pm4u .

Permalink Reply by warren caylor 1 hour ago
This is due to a number of things ( Having sat with Kai many times ) the first stage of his ectoplasm is formed at the back of the mouth, it comes through the gums and can be heard doing so by way of a crakling sound. Once this has taken place the ectoplasm is gathered in and around both the teeth and gum area, I have seen the scar where it comes from, at the back of his mouth. I am also aware, having spoken with Hanz ( Kais main spirit control) that once it has gathered it literaly fills the entire gum area, back, front and both sides , and have also been told that a very thin veil of ectoplasm is placed over the teeth until it is extruded or pulled form the mouth area. Hecne the pic with no gap!!......I don not know if you have sat with Kai and Julia, but if you have not done so then I would highly recommend it. The limited knowledge I have is based entirely of self experience, and it is with this that I can attempt to answer your question, go and see him for yourself, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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What a load of rubbish

by obiwan Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:00 am

carrsam wrote:Warren has put this on the same link I put on pm4u .

Permalink Reply by warren caylor 1 hour ago
This is due to a number of things ( Having sat with Kai many times ) the first stage of his ectoplasm is formed at the back of the mouth, it comes through the gums and can be heard doing so by way of a crakling sound. Once this has taken place the ectoplasm is gathered in and around both the teeth and gum area, I have seen the scar where it comes from, at the back of his mouth. I am also aware, having spoken with Hanz ( Kais main spirit control) that once it has gathered it literaly fills the entire gum area, back, front and both sides , and have also been told that a very thin veil of ectoplasm is placed over the teeth until it is extruded or pulled form the mouth area. Hecne the pic with no gap!!......I don not know if you have sat with Kai and Julia, but if you have not done so then I would highly recommend it. The limited knowledge I have is based entirely of self experience, and it is with this that I can attempt to answer your question, go and see him for yourself, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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What a load of rubbish

Why do you say it is a load of rubbish?

by carrsam Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:35 am

obiwan wrote:
carrsam wrote:Warren has put this on the same link I put on pm4u .

Permalink Reply by warren caylor 1 hour ago
This is due to a number of things ( Having sat with Kai many times ) the first stage of his ectoplasm is formed at the back of the mouth, it comes through the gums and can be heard doing so by way of a crakling sound. Once this has taken place the ectoplasm is gathered in and around both the teeth and gum area, I have seen the scar where it comes from, at the back of his mouth. I am also aware, having spoken with Hanz ( Kais main spirit control) that once it has gathered it literaly fills the entire gum area, back, front and both sides , and have also been told that a very thin veil of ectoplasm is placed over the teeth until it is extruded or pulled form the mouth area. Hecne the pic with no gap!!......I don not know if you have sat with Kai and Julia, but if you have not done so then I would highly recommend it. The limited knowledge I have is based entirely of self experience, and it is with this that I can attempt to answer your question, go and see him for yourself, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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What a load of rubbish

Please tell me in history having a pm me having ectoplasm changing the teeth.........

Why do you say it is a load of rubbish?

by obiwan Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:42 pm

carrsam wrote:
obiwan wrote:
carrsam wrote:Warren has put this on the same link I put on pm4u .

Permalink Reply by warren caylor 1 hour ago
This is due to a number of things ( Having sat with Kai many times ) the first stage of his ectoplasm is formed at the back of the mouth, it comes through the gums and can be heard doing so by way of a crakling sound. Once this has taken place the ectoplasm is gathered in and around both the teeth and gum area, I have seen the scar where it comes from, at the back of his mouth. I am also aware, having spoken with Hanz ( Kais main spirit control) that once it has gathered it literaly fills the entire gum area, back, front and both sides , and have also been told that a very thin veil of ectoplasm is placed over the teeth until it is extruded or pulled form the mouth area. Hecne the pic with no gap!!......I don not know if you have sat with Kai and Julia, but if you have not done so then I would highly recommend it. The limited knowledge I have is based entirely of self experience, and it is with this that I can attempt to answer your question, go and see him for yourself, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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What a load of rubbish

Please tell me in history having a pm me having ectoplasm changing the teeth.........

Why do you say it is a load of rubbish?

Sorry I don't understand your question. If you mean "when in history has ectoplasm ever changed someone's teeth", then I'd be surprised if it has ever been mentioned.

However, there is a full explanation given. What is it about the explanation, apart from the fact that you have never heard it before, that leads you to dismiss it as rubbish?

For the record, I have no personal view on the matter.

by baumer7 Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:07 pm

Hi Jim:-)
We filed out with the red light on only...No reason for the ecto to have disappeared yet...I wish I would have gone back in after every one filed out, but I didn't. I respect your opinion greatly. I also have no doubt this wasn't a magic trick. Where did the simultaneous smell come from? How did it move around? How did it stiffen? Maybe he just had a good night...
Regards,
Steve

by Mark74 Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:20 pm

baumer7 wrote:Hi Jim:-)
We filed out with the red light on only...No reason for the ecto to have disappeared yet...I wish I would have gone back in after every one filed out, but I didn't. I respect your opinion greatly. I also have no doubt this wasn't a magic trick. Where did the simultaneous smell come from? How did it move around? How did it stiffen? Maybe he just had a good night...

Or he had an accomplice.

by baumer7 Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:23 pm

Go on...explain your accomplice.

by Mark74 Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:12 pm

baumer7 wrote:Go on...explain you accomplice.

Does Julia Muegge be searched prior to the seance?

by baumer7 Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:22 pm

I was 3 feet from the medium & 4 feet from Julia...this was in Red Light...I saw Julia do nothing suspicious while the ectoplasm was coming out. I don't recall her being searched...

by Mark74 Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:29 pm

baumer7 wrote:I was 3 feet from the medium & 4 feet from Julia...this was in Red Light...I saw Julia do nothing suspicious while the ectoplasm was coming out. I don't recall her being searched...

I have two friends (friends whose friendship span 25+ years) who sat with Kai during a demonstration in the south of England a few years ago, from what I heard, I am suspicious about the authenticity of his mediumship.

by baumer7 Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:54 pm

And what did you hear?

by baumer7 Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:43 am

Jim,
I read through this thread now & read the Nahm account. I could have written the same thing! His seance was very similar. One difference is that he states much less ecto coming out & onto the floor than I saw. I saw many feet come out...maybe 10 feet...The pile was at least 2 feet...Kai was gagging & struggling audibly as he was pulling it out (Nahm didn't mention that)...Kai's hands were gripping the sides of the cabinet (cloth)when the ecto was undulating...Hans even asked..."where are the mediums hands" & we all answered we saw them both. He did this a couple times. The group I sat with was all psychic/physical/student mediums...everyone but me. We sang loudly & the enthusiasm couldn't have been better...maybe that had some effect?
I remember speaking of this "mixed mediumship" after the seance...Kai DID say that he could see how someone might resort to this. To me, of course, it's totally unacceptable & a real "no brainer!"...I was very surprised he said that. That along with his sentiment that Phenomena is better than true evidence were kinda weird & didn't sit right with me. Also, maybe he does throw in this "mixed mediumship" himself, sometimes...definitely possible with his attitude towards it!
Steve

by mac Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:59 am

carrsam wrote:Warren has put this on the same link I put on pm4u .

Permalink Reply by warren caylor 1 hour ago
This is due to a number of things ( Having sat with Kai many times ) the first stage of his ectoplasm is formed at the back of the mouth, it comes through the gums and can be heard doing so by way of a crakling sound. Once this has taken place the ectoplasm is gathered in and around both the teeth and gum area, I have seen the scar where it comes from, at the back of his mouth. I am also aware, having spoken with Hanz ( Kais main spirit control) that once it has gathered it literaly fills the entire gum area, back, front and both sides , and have also been told that a very thin veil of ectoplasm is placed over the teeth until it is extruded or pulled form the mouth area. Hecne the pic with no gap!!......I don not know if you have sat with Kai and Julia, but if you have not done so then I would highly recommend it. The limited knowledge I have is based entirely of self experience, and it is with this that I can attempt to answer your question, go and see him for yourself, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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What a load of rubbish

I am now unable to access this thread on PM4U - wonder why that is? Wink

by mac Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:01 am

What a wonderful euphemism 'mixed mediumship' is! Laughing

by carrsam Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:47 am

It's been deleted

by carrsam Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:50 am

I have been removed from pm4u and awaiting the reasons why..........
I point out the what is right and I get kick off .

by mac Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:03 am

carrsam wrote:I have been removed from pm4u and awaiting the reasons why..........
I point out the what is right and I get kick off .

I wouldn't hold your breath while waiting for any reasons.... Wink

by mac Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:11 am

carrsam wrote:It's been deleted

You're in good company - others have experienced similar fates after much less provocative postings. Negativity and challenge is strongly discouraged.... Wink

by carrsam Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:33 am

Sometime the truth hurts and they try and shut u up .

by mac Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:01 pm

They don't just try, they succeed on that website! Laughing

Regulars are well-familiar with what's been happening there for quite some time. But we all have a choice and we don't have to play any part in the masquerade. Let's be realistic. Challenging what happens out there in phenomena world isn't going to change the mind of many/most of the members of the website that heavily endorses it.

by Mark74 Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:08 pm

baumer7 wrote:Hi Mac...how goes it:-)?
Hi Carrsam...Ecto still on floor when walking out. He has no gap in his teeth that I recall. When are the pics from that you see a gap? Actually...I just went to Facebook to see if I could see a recent pic...& I did...no gap...maybe I'll post it for you.

Ectoplasm being of a spirit/physical substance, cannot be left in a physical state; therefore, it must return to its ''spirit origin''
– Harry Edwards

by Mark74 Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:12 pm

baumer7 wrote:Jim,
I read through this thread now & read the Nahm account. I could have written the same thing! His seance was very similar. One difference is that he states much less ecto coming out & onto the floor than I saw. I saw many feet come out...maybe 10 feet...The pile was at least 2 feet...Kai was gagging & struggling audibly as he was pulling it out (Nahm didn't mention that)...Kai's hands were gripping the sides of the cabinet (cloth)when the ecto was undulating...Hans even asked..."where are the mediums hands" & we all answered we saw them both. He did this a couple times. The group I sat with was all psychic/physical/student mediums...everyone but me. We sang loudly & the enthusiasm couldn't have been better...maybe that had some effect?
I remember speaking of this "mixed mediumship" after the seance...Kai DID say that he could see how someone might resort to this. To me, of course, it's totally unacceptable & a real "no brainer!"...I was very surprised he said that. That along with his sentiment that Phenomena is better than true evidence were kinda weird & didn't sit right with me. Also, maybe he does throw in this "mixed mediumship" himself, sometimes...definitely possible with his attitude towards it!
Steve

When there is a continual copious flow of ectoplasm from mouth and throat, there is no sign of physical stress or choking
– Harry Edwards

by Admin Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:33 am

Very good points Mark. As I commented to Steve Spiritualism has a 150 year experience of physical mediumship and ectoplasm. There is no point accepting a new version created by Kai to justify and explain what he is doing when it appears, palpably, to be very odd, indeed unbelievably so.

It appears the wormholes that finally stopped the Scole experiment, because of communication danger, are permeating with aliens to create a new paradigm of mediumship which, in both its mental (including trance) and physical form, encompasses anything the human sub conscious can create. Why prove survival! unproven psychism and phenomena is so much more enjoyable - but its not mediumship

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