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Post by mac on Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:06 pm

As I've said before - risking boring folk to death in so doing - phenomenalism isn't necessarily mediumship in the way we Modern Spiritualists view mediumship. But those who are not subscribers to the Spiritualist approach may well regard such entertainment as mediumship.

 There is no right and no wrong.

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Post by mac on Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:21 pm

Course if the phenomena are produced by an incarnate then it looks like fraud but if we don't value phenomena anyway, would that matter to us?

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Post by Admin on Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:46 pm

Louis Armstrong on the harmonica - that anyone believed that is a wonder in itself. I always made that point. Someone (medium or Spirit)  got the wrong idea from the harmonica break in the song 'Wonderful World', which, of course, was not Louis Armstrong, and decided to use it for effect.

There is no record anywhere of Armstrong playing the harmonica, a no no for the top lip of any significant trumpet player, anyway he always had his trumpet around with him, one type made specially, handed on every 5 years.

Now one may argue Spirit uses the skills the medium had and his UK Circle leader did confirm to me once that David knew how to play the harmonica but I am sure Louis would only, as a purported materialised being, independent to the medium, have played a trumpet given he had no experience on the harmonica.
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Post by Left Behind on Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:23 pm

Maybe he learned to play the harmonica in the spirit world? Very Happy

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Post by Admin on Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:24 am

No surely the Harp Jim (admittedly the Harmonica was also known as the Mouth Harp)........Imagine I am not sure he would get the rhythm right on Basin Street Blues with that though and I am sure he would still be blasting away. Very Happy
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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:52 pm

Interesting I note that, on last Friday, Banyan Retreat, who released the video that exposed Gary Mannion, were having a physical mediumship seance with Scott Milligan. Now Banyan signed up to the new protocols; I wonder whether they will have enforced them on Scott a close friend of theirs.

Hmm I have been wondering how much time would elapse before the Dark Seance, with no filming would re appear. Admittedly by my reading none of these rules have stopped Mannion from working.

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The seance protocols they are using would seem to suggest they will not be filming it, I note, from the information above, that they may have decided this is not truly an open seance because of the entry restrictions; so they could argue this exempts the need for the new Truth campaign rules;

Please read carefully as you may be asked to sign in agreement.
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Post by mac on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:33 am

Wasn't Milligan the guy who declined to carry out his scheduled attendances at the AFC after the new protocols for recording physical mediumship in the dark were introduced?

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose Rolling Eyes

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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:13 am

Yes he was Mac and he rejected any efforts to help him achieve a way to meet them (I believe he was offered the use of the equipment although as we know well Banyan has the necessary cameras).

With Scott potentially active again, even if in a limited way as an open but not to the general public seance, and potentially working with the machinery switched off, how long will it be before another phoenix re arises David Thompson, Scott's close friend. Mark you after his episode in Queensand I suspect DT may have a few more question marks against him now and it must be possible that Banyan may require him to be filmed.
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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:18 am

I suspect that we will now see a number of others begin to creep back into work in seance rooms that will not exercise the Truth protocols

mac wrote:Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose Rolling Eyes

The desire of people to see this will always provide a willing target market despite the very obvious issues surronding this "mediumship". The wishing it to be real then helps it be perceived as such in the disorientation, excitement and darkness.
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Post by mac on Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:05 am

If folk go for the entertainment of phenomenalism they may get value-for-money, particularly if the phenomena are genuine but maybe still so even when they're not.  Who, after all, can prove they're not genuine phenomena if the practitioner isn't visible the whole time?  

If they go for mediumship and for evidence of survival then it's perhaps more likely they'll be disappointed.  I feel sympathy for this latter category but not for the former.

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Post by hiorta on Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:49 am

Aye mac. A heavy reliance is put on the visual senses in such situations. Do we overlook our other senses to our cost? Has TV been a boon or a subtle means of dumbing down?
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Post by TheTruthShallSetYouFree on Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:50 am


In 2017 approx Psychic News (PN) announced the Psychic News Truth Campaign to stop fraud in Physical Mediumship (PM) there was much hoo ha following the secret recording of Gary Mannion at Banyan retreat following which there were accusations, denials, slander and hostility to anyone that questioned PM in general, myself included. PN together with the AFC (Arthur Findlay College) put protocols in place to ensure all public displays of PM were videoed with suitable equipment either infrared or thermal imaging cameras. At the time as a professional photographer I said infrared and thermal cameras were not necessary as digital technology could now photograph in blackout conditions and offered to provide the equipment, hence Physical Mediums could not use the excuse of IR causing them injury. I looked up the original PN post today (screenshots enclosed) And its quite telling.

In 2015 one medium was tested by the AFC and the results were negative and not published – Why not I ask?

Psychic News Said;
“Scott Milligan is experimenting with such equipment under spirit instruction at his home circle of which Nic Whitham and Steven Siu Banyan retreat co-owners are members”

I would ask “where are the videos?” Two years later as far as I am aware no public videos of either Scott Milligan or other PMs have surfaced, if not why not? If The results were negative lets see the evidence, if the results were positive lets see the evidence.

Banyan also said in the article :
” In order to protect and ensure the legitimacy of our physical mediums in the modern world it has become necessary for us to ask them to work whilst we film them with a thermal imaging camera”


Since a long time has passed and there must have been quite a few displays of PM at Banyan by Scott Milligan and others where on earth is the video evidence? I am not singling out Scott Milligan or Banyan as this applies to all current PMs and and displays of PMs at centres, I am highlighting the aforementioned as they were in the original PN article. The time has come to stop hiding in the dark and put a stop to this once and for all, my offer to provide High Res low lux digital equipment still stands for any PM that is willing to be tested and proved one way or the other!

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Post by obiwan on Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:11 pm

I agree. Put up or shut up.

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:29 pm

I agree - where are the videos ?
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Post by mac on Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:34 pm

I wonder how many people, what actual number of individuals, care?

The moment for potentially-effective action has passed and is now largely forgotten it seems. Should WE care about phenomenalists and their shows? Or should we just try to keep potential show audiences aware that shows may not be what they seem and just leave things at that? The more apparently-negative publicity these showmen get the less it seems to negatively impact their workaday activities. Just what has been the outcome, anywhere, of an official 'ban' on demonstrations in-the-dark?

You'll note, I hope, I won't refer to any of these phenomenalist showmen as 'physical mediums' because I don't believe they are. Wink

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Post by mac on Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:01 pm

I suppose that entertainers performing at locations operating independent-of any protocols devised by organisations such as PN or the AFC can simply ignore whatever those organisations declare should happen.

Why would it concern them?  Such protocols are irrelevant to the venue operators and the entertainers who perform there.

Or am I misunderstanding the situation? Is it the case that entertainers have been allowed to ignore protocols at venues where we had been led to expect they would need to comply?


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Post by Admin on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:59 pm

I also wonder whether Psychic news would pursue this as strongly now. Ther is a clear division those who continue to be allowed to work, as Scott is doing at private but expensive seances at Banyan or Gary Mannion at Wallacia, Kai with his group plus at times I understand Mr Thompson can be seen quietly re visiting friendly places., apparently with no filming and those outside that inner echelon who are meant to jump through the video hoop. There is no doubt they all should face the same testing regime.

As Mac said to the believers they will never be seen as wrong and they will always draw a crowd. To those of us who believe, like us, that truth in mediumship is all it wll always be unacceptable. Sadly they will continue to gull punters and provide false comfort to the bereaved. That is unless someone actually acts, maybe one good thing has come out of the furore around teh PN campaign and eth information with it; those who challenge those mediums are no longer receiving the vitriolic attacks they did. (well they are significantly reduced anyway).
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Post by mac on Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:55 pm

Without a helluva lot of personal motivation, constantly trying to get the better of fraudsters is likely to be a hiding-to-nothing. It's analogous to cyber fraud - you're forever playing catch-up with the charlatans who don't give a s**t (my asterisks!) You're forever trying to persuade those who love vivid, entertaining phenomena that they do not illustrate the loving message of the survival of our loved ones.

But who cares if that message doesn't get delivered? Other than those like ourselves, a tiny band, who actually do care?

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Post by TheTruthShallSetYouFree on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:54 am

Admin wrote:I also wonder whether Psychic news would pursue this as strongly now. Ther is a clear division those who continue to be allowed to work, as Scott is doing at private but expensive seances at Banyan or Gary Mannion at Wallacia, Kai with his group plus at times I understand Mr Thompson can be seen quietly re visiting friendly places., apparently with no filming and those outside that inner echelon who are meant to jump through the video hoop. There is no doubt they all should face the same testing regime.

As Mac said to the believers they will never be seen as wrong and they will always draw a crowd. To those of us who believe, like us, that truth in mediumship is all it wll always be unacceptable. Sadly they will continue to gull punters and provide false comfort to the bereaved. That is unless someone actually acts, maybe one good thing has  come out of the furore around teh PN campaign and eth information with it; those who challenge those mediums are no longer receiving the vitriolic attacks they did. (well they are significantly reduced anyway).
I think it is telling that MR Milligan continues to work at Banyan who advertise they video ALL PM yet he seems immune, one rule for one?...The old "IR damages the medium" can no longer be used, I have a 50MP low light camera that can shoot still images or video in near total darkness, in otherwords you cannot hide any longer, as yet, despite offers no PM will allow me to video them or photograph them.

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Post by TheTruthShallSetYouFree on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:55 am

Jane Lyzell wrote:         I agree - where are the videos ?            
The videos (if they exist) will not be released, why destroy a cash cow?...

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:28 am

TheTruthShallSetYouFree wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:         I agree - where are the videos ?            
The videos (if they exist) will not be released, why destroy a cash cow?...

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Post by Admin on Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:49 am

At least someone has kicked this story again I am unsure thet Tony Ortzen will re open this box https://www.ianbroadmore.com/psychic-news-truth-campaign-update/?fbclid=IwAR0zJDaBPxL1jwxPEVDsrjET2Nn3dDep3kwKGUqXtB82gIHCkt0AWnpdbxk
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Post by mac on Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:29 am

Isn't it just yesterday's news?

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Post by obiwan on Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:13 am

It is yesterday’s news I guess, but if people like Scott Milligan and others are still telling the world they are physical mediums I think it’s important to remind people about what happened yesterday. It’s simple to stop criticism isn’t it? Provide the evidence.

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Post by mac on Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:45 am

Not much happened after his last 'outing', my duck friend, and I doubt anything will happen next time he's in the news, no matter how many times we speak out about fraud..... Sad

No such things as bad publicity it seems.

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