What can we do ?

Hello all .. forgive me about my spelling im very badly dyslexia.

I have read alot on physical mediumship on this web site. and there seens to be alot of not good comment on moden day P mediumship.
I do understand alot of it moves around the condishion of sitting in the dark. I a physical medium could devlope in the light believe me they would. under the guidence of Mr John Austin circle lead Who was a medium in his own right he gave me at the age of 17 the choice to sit in the dark or light. I said dark as this was how colin developed and it seen to be the right way of developing, so as the years rolled on the development started to unfold and it wasnt until last year light was allowed into the seance room starting in very low red light and the in stansted hall last oct the main door to the seance room was openned and light from outside came into the room and ectoplasm was seen touching the floor and moving slowly .. I had to say I felt really really ill afterwards.
When I sit I talk to the other world about development. asking if I can do anything different to help them. I do get a voice back telling me to rest between sittings normal i sit every wednesday for home circle and do a public once every 2 weeks. sit and exsept nothing, I wish I say I fall Alseep but I dont not all the time. If they do dirc voice they keep me awake now but I cant speak its light the times you wake up in the night not being able to move and then i fall asleep again and feel a bang as they move the chair.
When I have sat in light (red) The spirit people say my blood preshure drops and After the sitting I feel Shakey and I normal have a very upset stomock. I supose it will take time.
The reson for me to put this post on this site to tell you how I feel about development , the spirit people always said to me they walk by myside in my road of unfoldment and they are the ones who can see alittle in front of me. I wanted to change anything in seance ie light, or obeject in the room or invite a guess into the home circle I need to ask them 1st as the need to change the power and need time to pro pare .

So on that note What can we really do ? if the spirit is in the driving seat how can we demard of the spirit to say Bring in see in the dark glasses >>
I ask the other world "Why have we not got the level of mediumship that the past had " voice came back and said " this world has too many distraction with moden tech and the world is too busy " But on the other hand we as seekers of the truth want to bring into the seance room that very thing what is holding the mediumship back.

I believe and this is just my beleaf when you sit with a person who can work with the other world be it with mentel,trance or physical mediumship you can feel it. why are we not trusting are in thu ishion (sorry about spelling ) aka gut ...

I believe that physical mediumship is dieing out and I believe this world is in need of it to come back .
Whats your view on it .
All the best Scott

Hi Scott,

Thanks for posting that very thoughtful piece and I will think about it. I am sure that others will also post their thoughts. There are several people posting here who are also trying to develop. I admire your efforts to bring light into the room. I am aware that for many years now all development seems to have gone on in the dark. it may be an interesting question for Spirit why that change occurred, when in the 1800's some worked all teh time in light.

Could you ask your guides about passive infra red Thermography which only records the emitted heat from objects in the room? It may offer an alternative to the frequent use of light.


I think that genuine physical mediumship, not telekinetic effects, is very important to our movement and we should encourage its development where possible. I may differ about when it should be taken to the public and the need to develop more stingent controls. However, anyone working on their development, as you are deserves respect

I am sure you can equally understand the concerns of people about Dark Seances and the questions that are raised. Sadly anong the very real diamonds who stand out, deserving respect and honour there is also a sad history of fraud ging back to the earliest dark seances (and even in some of the efforts in the light).

I am glad you posted this they are very worthwhile questions which I hope will lead to a reasoned debate.

Jim

Admin wrote:Hi Scott,

Thanks for posting that very thoughtful piece and I will think about it. I am sure that others will also post their thoughts. There are several people posting here who are also trying to develop. I admire your efforts to bring light into the room. I am aware that for many years now all development seems to have gone on in the dark. it may be an interesting question for Spirit why that change occurred, when in the 1800's some worked all teh time in light.

Could you ask your guides about passive infra red Thermography which only records the emitted heat from objects in the room? It may offer an alternative to the frequent use of light.


I think that genuine physical mediumship, not telekinetic effects, is very important to our movement and we should encourage its development where possible. I may differ about when it should be taken to the public and the need to develop more stingent controls. However, anyone working on their development, as you are deserves respect

I am sure you can equally understand the concerns of people about Dark Seances and the questions that are raised. Sadly anong the very real diamonds who stand out, deserving respect and honour there is also a sad history of fraud ging back to the earliest dark seances (and even in some of the efforts in the light).

I am glad you posted this they are very worthwhile questions which I hope will lead to a reasoned debate.

Jim

Hi Jim
Thank you for the reply . I will hand the question
"Could you ask your guides about passive infra red Thermography which only records the emitted heat from objects in the room? It may offer an alternative to the frequent use of light." To a circle memeber to ask the spirit control on wednesday ( home circle ) and see what they say, when it comes to questions to the guides I always like not to know what is going to be asked as the question is seated in my mind and as all of would know the spirit people have to use the mind of the medium to comucate (sorry about spelling|) i hope that came across right .. I do believe they have be asked about this before. so I will get one of the memebers to ask and post there view.
Now with physical mediumship, not telekinetic Im pro physical mediumship. telekinetic moving an object comes from this side of life (without the spirit world) I believe and once again this is only my view a object moving will not help a mother get up in the morning who has had there son or daughter walk through the doorway of death. its about bring prof life after life.
In our Home circle we develope and build the mediumship, In the public we demonstrate themediumship. I went public after the otherworld said too BUT always keep homecircle as they are in control of the development, John (circle leader) at the time leading up to passing 2011 always said to me one day you will go public as it is for the public. IN a sort time I willbe stopping the public dems to go back into the arms of a Homecircle to keep developing it without the public as I believe we has encourage people to sit for the spirit.
I think there is alot of rot in the moment and he have to look at the purpose and motive behind the reason why that is. MONEY? FAME? I dont know. I saw 1st hand how death can break up a family so I want to help.
I hope this has Come across right.
All the best
scott

Scott - thank you for your refreshing and honest post.

I commend you for taking the correct path and going back to development. Physical Mediumship is dying out whilst those who charge money, continue in blackout and claim materialisation is occurring, fake the voices of celebrities and also think they can convince us of artificial ectoplasm. What comfort and joy can that possibly bring?Why would the Spirit World do that, people should ask? The greatest experiences I have had are in small private home circles with no expectation.

I know you wish to work above suspicion and you have integrity.

Have you considered asking your circle to simply sit for your development in some form of light? Your Spirit Operators are not going to allow something to develop in such conditions which would harm you.

As you know, many Physical mediums of the past worked in the light. Perhaps now is the time to tell them what you are prepared to accept. Create a pact with them.

You've shown great maturity of Mediumship in asking for advice on this subject.

At Stansted Hall recently a developing Physical Medium gave a seance in the Library to a group. It was in red light. We smelt the ectoplasm and the atmosphere was amazing. We didn't witness any physical phenomena that night, but we all felt the presence of spirit. What I'm saying is that you can work on the presence of spirit in any light.
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truthwillout wrote:Scott - thank you for your refreshing and honest post.

I commend you for taking the correct path and going back to development. Physical Mediumship is dying out whilst those who charge money, continue in blackout and claim materialisation is occurring, fake the voices of celebrities and also think they can convince us of artificial ectoplasm. What comfort and joy can that possibly bring?Why would the Spirit World do that, people should ask? The greatest experiences I have had are in small private home circles with no expectation.

I know you wish to work above suspicion and you have integrity.

Have you considered asking your circle to simply sit for your development in some form of light? Your Spirit Operators are not going to allow something to develop in such conditions which would harm you.

As you know, many Physical mediums of the past worked in the light. Perhaps now is the time to tell them what you are prepared to accept. Create a pact with them.

You've shown great maturity of Mediumship in asking for advice on this subject.

At Stansted Hall recently a developing Physical Medium gave a seance in the Library to a group. It was in red light. We smelt the ectoplasm and the atmosphere was amazing. We didn't witness any physical phenomena that night, but we all felt the presence of spirit. Some had been there in January and had their faith in Physical destroyed. They commented that this evening, despite no obvious phenomena, had restored it. What I'm saying is that you can work on the presence of spirit in any light.

Thank you. H
In the home circle I have sat in a light under the guidents of the other world to aloow my body to get used to it, for the spirit world to see if I can take light. I have to say Its looking promising but I do feel ill afterwards so one step at the time. yes i know of the evening you speak of re stansted and its good that the results you got and need to encourage. As you know at stansted I had to go through so many testing the one who was assesing (mmm sorry cant spell the word and cant find it on google ) seeing if i was jen or not .. said Quote " As a medium myself seeing a trumpet move is not physical as medium i see things move, being touch i fell the spirit, hearing a love one speak you can do that if you hear the spirit" It wasnt until the red light came on in the libray my chair was moved infront of her and she saw the ectoplasm moving along the floor and a large necklass was apport for the g manager she said that was physical. . I have the greatest repect for the person i truly do .
I think silverbirtch Had it right!" try and test the spirit's " let the spirit world prove it to you . for the medium to try and prove it show the mediums mind is interfearing ...
All the best
Scott x

Nobody understands your beautiful link with Spirit as much as you and your team. I believe that wholly. How wonderful you are testing yourself and the 'Spirit' as Silver Birch said. I agree, let them do the work and we have the greatest honour of playing our part as a humble instrument.

If it's making you poorly Scott then you should stop doing it immeduately.
You are a powerful mediu in your own right without any of this physical mediumship.
Think aboutthe future. You are a young man with an obvious vocation to work for Spirit.
As a physical mediumyour work will be restricted to either a loving and supportive home circle with the benefits confined to the regular sitters. Now that' not of Spirit. Gifts are not given for the benefit of a select few. Or you'l be propelled beyond the home circle into the sick world of commercial physical mediumship where good people who are desperate for evidence are fleeced by the unscrupulous for phenomena to order and manifetations of the peg for forty pounds a ticket.
In all cases the sitters would be better served by ttending a Spiritualist church or centre and testing the evidence of a wide variety of mental mediums. They would all eventually receive the evidence and assurances they are seeking and that within an untainted and open Spiritualist environment with the social and cultural benefits that brings as added value to the links with loved ones gone before.
Physical mediumship,all of it ends in tears and recrimination. You will already have met some of the cold calculating people who seek to profit by it and if you look around your home circle you can see those whose lives could be so much more fulfilled,people who have much to contribute to our movement yet who put all of that to one side for that next hour in that dark or dimmed room waiting for what?Checkable evidence given verballyFine,but they would get more of that bette and quicker via a mental medium. Or the same evidenceaccompanied by physical phenomena at great cost to the physical mediums wellbeing and their own personal florishing.
Physical mediumship is as real as it is rare. It served our movement well in the early days but times are different now and Spiritualists are free to meet publically. Those who need to se in order to believe are not at the point yet where in order to believe they only need to hear and then veriy what was heard.
All that and more can be had in a Spiritualist church or centre.
By all means keep up the trumpet manufacture and sales those are ornaments of our tradition. But for Spirit' sake Scott come out of the darkness of the physical and into the light of mental mediumship. You have so much to offer to the movement and your Light should not be covered by the dark pall of the physical seance room. Look at Colin Fry, he has never looked back since he began to worrk as a mental medium once he could be free of th dark side of the physical and the unpleasant people that cult seems to attract.
As an aside Scott,never apologise for your dyslexia. It is a gift that goes towards making you the empathic person that you are. You communicate beautifully and sincerely in writing.
Every success to you Scott and may Spirit guide and guard your progress each and every day.

I just put a long reply on here and I think Its not shown up.. its was for you truthwillout sorry .... Katyking thank you for the kind message . I think for me yes it makes me feel ill when the light is on but more it happends my body is getting used to it . last year I had to have a M I R scan along with a C T scan as they though I had a stroke age 28 I beleive I pushed myself too much thinking I could take on the world and help bring pm back. being pushed into seance when I shouldnt . I have learn to say no . Thank fully I didnt have a stroke it was my blood presshure . my mentle mediumship is getting stronger sitting in the home circle in seance condishions. I have no fear of going to the other world none of us should ( only my view that is ) there are better metal mediums out there who can do a better job at it .. I want to see if the spirit can use my mind in a seance condishing to hope that the sting out of death . ( please PLease i hope this is not coming across a ego trip it shouldnt)
IM a seeker of the truth and lets see where it gose x

Hi Scott. I wouldn't be at all concerned re any form of Mediumship - those on the Higher Side of Life have a better view than we do. There have been many changes in people and the earthly environment - microwaves, greater focus on material matters and an end to 'religious thinking'. Evolution is on-going of course and perhaps the changed conditions mentioned plus the increasing knowledge in the population generally, make this type of Mediumship redundant for now. Time, as always, will tell.

The primary purpose of all Mediumship is to point to Life being eternal for all, regardless of colour, creed, intellect and material status. PM surely has taken a different route if it results in producing superstars rather than awakened individuals. If it has done so, it may be simply down to phenomena seeking, but would this be an acceptable outcome? I am reminded that 'the coin of the Spirit is service', so who can say?
Good Luck in your searching.

. Some had been there in January and had their faith in Physical destroyed.

Stansted Jan 20th -27th 2012

Where Science and Spirit meet:

Mediums : Donna Stewart, Sally Barnes CSNU, Susan Leybourne,
Sue Breen, Wayne McHugh, Jay Love
an invited Physical Mediums Specialist’s
David Thompson & Scott Milligan
along with Anthony Peake specialist.

zerdini wrote:

. Some had been there in January and had their faith in Physical destroyed.

Stansted Jan 20th -27th 2012

Where Science and Spirit meet:

Mediums : Donna Stewart, Sally Barnes CSNU, Susan Leybourne,
Sue Breen, Wayne McHugh, Jay Love
an invited Physical Mediums Specialist’s
David Thompson & Scott Milligan
along with Anthony Peake specialist.

Yes but it was nothing to do with Scott to be fair. The problem Scott wishes to overcome (working in light without making himself ill) is commendable in my opinion - especially as he has developed in the darkness.

Correct me if I'm wrong 'two' but didn't Scott and David work together in Australia?

zerdini wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong 'two' but didn't Scott and David work together in Australia?

I've no idea about that zerdini - it's something I don't know about.

A harmonica's a lot easier to conceal than a brass trumpet.
Good job they didn't bring back old Reginald Dixon of Blackpool Tower Ballroom Organ fame or it would have become very crowded in that seance room

Hi
Jan 2012 I didnt dem physical as I had reach my limit of public But I did sit in each seanceand i have to say they where outstanding and really enjoyied them. also i check that room and was really happy with the dem . I myself seached all sitters and David and room and Watch him being tie to chair along with the general manage of the collage. I was more than happy to say everything i saw and heard over the 2 seance was all above board.
. The tranfi dem with another medium J L was shocking .
I did do classes, talk and trance dem and receved strong and warm feed back.
Z i sat with david in oz 2003 2005 and I did spirit Art in melborn in 2003.
hope that shines alittle light on it

Hi Scott,
You dont know me, But I have sat in one of your seances.. and You seem a Really nice Bloke

bravo321uk wrote:Hi Scott,
You dont know me, But I have sat in one of your seances.. and You seem a Really nice Bloke

hi bravo sorry i missed you on chat as i was away from the lap top .. thank you for the comment .. which seance did u sit in ??

At the AFC...In september, you were there for a week

bravo321uk wrote:At the AFC...In september, you were there for a week

on elieens week ? if so it was a good week with jose and others

yes scott that week. you were in eileens group on the last day.. when peeps from another group had to come and dem,, I was one of those peeps... lol.. not that you would remember as so much has happened since then....
On the one day I was having a cigarette outside and i watched you take your seance stuff out of a car... Trumpet,, drum.. and not a ounce of butter muslin in sight lol

I should hope not lol ..

I am a little surprised this went quiet so quickly. I thinks some helpful points have been made.

Jim

Yes it did,,, I thought it was good that scott posted this topic

Best way. Deprive the physical merchants of the oxygen of any publicity.

Thats really not nice katy, I dont think the aim of scott posting here was for publicity, I thought what he did was honest and open.. and I for one hope he continues posting