Why is there a Clash between the Tutors and the AFC Part 2

notabigjump wrote:

High5 wrote:What qualifications does Finance Director JU possess?
After all, the SNU is overseeing a budget of £14 million to £16 million.

Good point High5. Perhaps a LinkedIn search is worth a shot.

Regarding JU, I know him only as an excellent healer. Is it possible that the SNU aka JW might be willing to sacrifice good people to further their own agenda?

This brings me to my question:
Are NEC members personally liable for any potential mistakes made within the committee, meaning their private assets could be at risk? This situation is akin to church presidents, who, despite not receiving compensation for their hard work on the church committee, could still endanger their homes and livelihoods.

High5 wrote:

notabigjump wrote:

High5 wrote:What qualifications does Finance Director JU possess?
After all, the SNU is overseeing a budget of £14 million to £16 million.

Good point High5. Perhaps a LinkedIn search is worth a shot.

Regarding JU, I know him only as an excellent healer. Is it possible that the SNU aka JW might be willing to sacrifice good people to further their own agenda?

This brings me to my question:
Are NEC members personally liable for any potential mistakes made within the committee, meaning their private assets could be at risk? This situation is akin to church presidents, who, despite not receiving compensation for their hard work on the church committee, could still endanger their homes and livelihoods.

Unless each individual NEC member had "personal indemnity insurance" or some other exclusionary insurance provided under the cover of the SNU's insurance, there may well be personal liability for actions taken contrary to the regulations regarding charities, or some other legislation. Certainly, if I was a member of the current NEC, I would want to be being reassured (if that was possible) by the current president, that the decisions of the NEC did not go against proper policy, procedure, rules, regulations or legislation.

Lis wrote:Certainly, if I was a member of the current NEC, I would want to be being reassured (if that was possible) by the current president, that the decisions of the NEC did not go against proper policy, procedure, rules, regulations or legislation.

However, if the current president lacks such knowledge—not out of malice, but simply due to limited oversight and intellectual capacity—???
That may sound harsh: but the previous financial director was self-emploeyd bricklayer...nothing wrong with that profession, but managing up to 14 million??

High5 wrote:

Lis wrote:Certainly, if I was a member of the current NEC, I would want to be being reassured (if that was possible) by the current president, that the decisions of the NEC did not go against proper policy, procedure, rules, regulations or legislation.

However, if the current president lacks such knowledge—not out of malice, but simply due to limited oversight and intellectual capacity—???
That may sound harsh: but the previous financial director was self-emploeyd bricklayer...nothing wrong with that profession, but managing up to 14 million??

I have checked linkedIn and companies house and the only certification listed is a certificate for Xero accounting software. However JU is listed as a full-time senior accountant with a company called Eazitax. At companies house there is only one person with significant control for this company with reserves of £22K on last filing. He is not listed as a person with any control of the company.

It may be that he has simply failed to add his accountancy credentials, yet this is unusual for a site such as linkedIn which is a showcase of skills.

High5 wrote:

Lis wrote:Certainly, if I was a member of the current NEC, I would want to be being reassured (if that was possible) by the current president, that the decisions of the NEC did not go against proper policy, procedure, rules, regulations or legislation.

However, if the current president lacks such knowledge—not out of malice, but simply due to limited oversight and intellectual capacity—???
That may sound harsh: but the previous financial director was self-emploeyd bricklayer...nothing wrong with that profession, but managing up to 14 million??

Ignorance of one's legal duties is not an excuse nor an escape clause from liability. Indeed. those who take on such roles as those in the SNU NEC have an explicit duty to be aware of their legal responsibilities.

As to whether a bricklayer has or has not the necessary skills required of a financial director would, of course, depend on their academic and professional background and qualifications.

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Lis wrote:there is only one person with significant control for this company with reserves of £22K on last filing. He is not listed as a person with any control of the company.

wow...£22K compared to 14+ million

Lis wrote:
Ignorance of one's legal duties is not an excuse nor an escape clause from liability. Indeed. those who take on such roles as those in the SNU NEC have an explicit duty to be aware of their legal responsibilities.

True. That is precisely my point: people are being installed who are easily persuaded but have little real understanding, like lambs to the slaughter.

He and his wife (both are fab healers) are far too lovely to be thrown under the bus.

High5 all too often people do not realise the risks they run as committee/directors of a not for profit. Fail to maintain insurance, personal liability, failures in OHS causing legal action (stress claims), personal liability, operating outside of the powers granted by the articles of association/constitution, personal responsibility, insolvent trading, ditto.

I had, as voluntary director and treasurer of two not-for-profits. A Theatre Company, a Social, Women's, Gay and Aboriginal Rights company, that lost its Government Funding. Despite this we finalised a production and put it into the Adelaide Fringe, rewriting a piece which ran at the Space Theatre in the Adelaide Festival centre and closing solvently.

I also worked at stopping Wheelchair Sports SA going insolvent, a local icon, when I stepped in they had no idea of their  impending death, hours of free work.

All that time I knew the legal needs and so should any finance person, and as a Director the law will assume ignorance is no defence.

Maybe, as an aside, the last play in the Space Theatre  about the social issues in our world was named "Everything's Fuck'd." May be apt with what is going on.

The SNU us not a small organisation so the risks are much greater.

A reply at last, and as far as Companies House is concerned you are on your own. Such a change since I trained as an Accountant. Privatisation and years of pro business leaves us here. The only reason we were able to block the SNU phoenixing PN out of liquidation is simple, they never owned the assets of Psychic Press. I doubt they, under the bequest from Arthur Findlay, own the building the AFC runs from. I hope no one in the SNU is relying on either Charles Coulston or George Hewitt, in the PN affair their advice seems to have failed the SNU, backed up by Hadley's  expertise.

However, you will really have to work hard to break through this new approach and will have to be a shareholder i.e. an SNU member.

Such is modern life when the regulatory bodies cannot act.

SPIRITUALISTS' NATIONAL UNION(THE) – Co No 00071661
SPIRITUALISTS' NATIONAL UNION TRUST – Co No 11382378

Thank you for your email.

Companies House is essentially the registry of UK company information. In other words, it receives statutory documentation from limited companies and other corporate bodies and makes that information available for inspection. Its main role is to ensure that companies promptly file statutory information required under the Companies Act, and to make this information available to the general public, within the time scales laid down by legislation. As such, it cannot give legal advice or guidance other than the basic guidance published on its website.

Companies House does not have the investigative powers of other organisations to look into any allegations of fraud or sharp practice in the way a company or its directors may operate.

It is the company’s responsibility to provide us with correct and timely information which we place on the public record. We do not have the statutory power or capability to verify or validate the accuracy of the information that companies send to us.  We accept all information that companies deliver to us and place it on the public record. The fact that information has been placed on the public record should not be taken to indicate that Companies House has verified or validated it in any way.

The Registrar is required to register all documents that are delivered to Companies House in apparent compliance with the law. It is the presenter's responsibility to make sure that any document delivered to the Registrar is complete, accurate and legally compliant. There is a difference between fraudulently filed documents from parties unknown and documents delivered by a company itself. The Registrar is not an arbiter of fact or law: that is the function of the court and must include on the public record any information which is properly delivered.  Proper delivery means the document meets all necessary examination criteria, but we have no way of knowing whether or not the information is factually accurate.

I would also like to explain that there is no longer a requirement for a private limited company to hold an AGM. If the company has entered a clause into its own Articles to state that an AGM must be held, it would be an internal company matter that Companies House are unable to become involved with. The company's articles of association are its internal rulebook, chosen by its members. Every company is required to have articles, which are legally binding on the company and all its members. The articles help to ensure the company's business runs as smoothly and efficiently as possible and will set out how decisions are taken by the members and directors as well as various matters connected with the shares. If a company is acting in breach of their Articles of Association, it is an internal matter for the company to resolve. Companies House is unable to intervene

A Directors conduct and indeed the conduct of a company is a matter that the Insolvency Service would investigate. The insolvency Service would also deal with that specific part of the Companies Act. If you have evidence of sharp practice and you feel there has been a deliberate intent to mislead, you may wish to consider contacting the Insolvency Service who may be able to investigate your concerns. Further information can be found at the below links;

Intelligence Hub

The Insolvency Service

4th floor, Cannon House

18 Priory Queensway

Birmingham

B4 6FD

Telephone: 0300 678 0017

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phoenix-companies-and-the-role-of-the-insolvency-service/phoenix-companies-and-the-role-of-the-insolvency-service#the-insolvency-services-role

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I am sorry that I am unable to help further at this point, but I hope that I have been able to explain our position and that the information given is of assistance.

Kind Regards

Andrew
Breaches Case Manager

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It all sounds similar to the CC, they appear toothless, so what is the point. Also, Interfaith, I lodged a complaint with them, same reply, nothing we can do nothing.

Maybe the bod(s) in charge are not as dumb as often was thought.....  Probably got the tutors action all factored into the financial equation too.  

There's a shed load of money in the SNU piggy-bank anyway to pay costs and compo if any get awarded.  It's small beer.

Then everything will quieten down and the ship will have its new course charted. Much of the old crew has been left on shore so the skipper will now push ahead as quickly as conditions allow using the new one.

There are some interesting times ahead.

Admin wrote:

Slatewriter wrote:

trueprogression46 wrote: All the tutors who are being persecuted are Empaths!

Your previous statement seems to show that you have some insider knowledge,
and your subsequent words seem to suggest that those persecuting the tutors are not empaths, but are in fact narcissists?

Would you agree with either of these assessments?

A subject well worth pursuing especially after High5's comments . One wonders what a psychologist may make of all the antics of the two major players JW and PJ

As a qualified Psychologist I can assure you both PJ and JW and Narcissists by their behavior pattern. Especially PJ referring thanks from "us" on a recent FB post in front of the late Gordon Higginson's photograph. Those members who voted in favour of the current President have got what they deserve as have those who didn't! Quote "The only thing necessary for evil to exist is that good men do nothing"

On my SNU I.M. message page it says: "It is only by the strength of unity in a common goal that the voice of Spiritualism can grow."

I wouldn't know what to say in response to that, given this past several months' events.    

trueprogression46 wrote:

Admin wrote:

Slatewriter wrote:

trueprogression46 wrote: All the tutors who are being persecuted are Empaths!

Your previous statement seems to show that you have some insider knowledge,
and your subsequent words seem to suggest that those persecuting the tutors are not empaths, but are in fact narcissists?

Would you agree with either of these assessments?

A subject well worth pursuing especially after High5's comments . One wonders what a psychologist may make of all the antics of the two major players JW and PJ

As a qualified Psychologist I can assure you both PJ and JW and Narcissists by their behavior pattern. Especially PJ referring thanks from "us" on a recent FB post in front of the late Gordon Higginson's photograph.  Those members who voted in favour of the current President have got what they deserve as have those who didn't!  Quote "The only thing necessary for evil to exist is that good men do nothing"

I was very shocked to have seen that post. It does seem that way. I did actually ponder what a psychologist would think of all this too. Especially the PJ post. Could a picture of himself be any bigger, just the size of his head fills the screen compared to the modest picture of Gordon Higginson next to him. It looks like he mirrors himself to be the next GH. It's very creepy. It displays a total lack of awareness and the true depiction of a narcissist. The quote is very apt. Is there any good left at the helm of SNU now, or will evil triumph?

I do hope that more and more people will understand what is happening within the SNU. It is not about moving forward - it is about power. Free speech is not allowed. Most of my friends who work as mediums just "wait" until the story ends. Especially we abroad are scared about this situation. It now feels as a cult and a lot of my friends are only staying as an IM because of the hard earned awards. We still did not get any reply on our 800+ signatures on the Petition

https://www.change.org/p/an-urgent-call-from-arthur-findlay-college-students-and-supporters

We all wonder why this situation is accepted by the board and the trust. Look at the list of very brave people, who have resigned or where thrown out of their position. I pray for them every day. This has to end. It does hurt so much.

Interesting though that the email, having suggested that companies house no longer dealt with such matters, made some very helpful suggestions particularly if acted upon by a member of the company or past (or current) office holder.

A Directors conduct and indeed the conduct of a company is a matter that the Insolvency Service would investigate. The insolvency Service would also deal with that specific part of the Companies Act. If you have evidence of sharp practice and you feel there has been a deliberate intent to mislead, you may wish to consider contacting the Insolvency Service who may be able to investigate your concerns. Further information can be found at the below links;

Intelligence Hub

The Insolvency Service

4th floor, Cannon House

18 Priory Queensway

Birmingham

B4 6FD

Telephone: 0300 678 0017

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phoenix-companies-and-the-role-of-the-insolvency-service/phoenix-companies-and-the-role-of-the-insolvency-service#the-insolvency-services-role

Any allegations or suspicions of fraudulent behaviour should be reported to Action Fraud, the national fraud and cybercrime reporting centre for the Police. You can do this by visiting www.actionfraud.police.uk  or phoning 0300 123 2040.

I am sorry that I am unable to help further at this point, but I hope that I have been able to explain our position and that the information given is of assistance.

So there is space, especially for members, to act. Should the acts be beyond the power of the President or company Officers (VP's and NEC members) then they will face all the risks we have suggested.

Someone mentioned could members be liable, no not for the NEC acts which are beyond their powers, in the very unlikely event the SNU went bankrupt the members liability is limited, by the guarantee, to 50p each.

More risky, given we have no true idea of the intentions of this President, is an attempt to gain control of the trusts and exercise them in the interests of a reduced membership. It is doable with the current lack of oversight in the Articles and Constitution.

We go back to the private message, very early in the piece, from a member who has never, I believe, posted on this topic, of JW wanting to take the SNU down the Scientology route (ah Spiritology a World of my Dreams).

Time for all members to be alert and any current NEC member who becomes concerned with the direction being taken to whistleblow urgently, if only to protect themselves. Unfortunately members are not required to be told of Bye Law changes until the NEC decides to do so, we saw that at this AGM. The one change, she really needed, got through then, with the passing of Electronic Voting, without that there was a breach of the Articles.

I have no contribution to make which will solve this problem so will be following the thread without further comment. I just want to leave you with the following:

The  first Spiritualist church I went to happened to be a Christian Spiritualist church. I wasn’t bothered about the religious affiliation I just wanted to explore mediumship. It was a nice church with nice people who made me very welcome. Nevertheless there was much discord between these nice people  and back stabbing. I could see both sides of their quarrels and did my best to mediate then left them to it for a while. I did go back and was just as warmly received.  That was my first experience of the two faced nature of Spiritualism. The good face and the other one.

After a while I felt drawn to the local SNU church. At the time I was completely unaware that the SNU church was a religion. I thought it was Spiritualism for every one of any religion. When I started to hear anti Christian views there I was quite surprised. However, I was there for mediumship. They were again a nice group of people who nurtured me, developed me and gave me much friendship for many years. Also, they had disagreements, there was talking behind backs etc but by now I could just put this aside and enjoy the unity that endured despite the other things. These people were, and still are, my friends though I left them years ago. This was my second experience of the two faced nature of Spiritualism. The good face and the other one.

I left the SNU because I did not want to belong to any religion and I did not want belief in a set of Principles to be a requirement of my acceptance….even though I did, and still do, voluntarily share those beliefs as an independent medium. The AFC became my Spiritual home, as a non member, for many years. Meanwhile I continued to attend, and provide, services at both my old local SNU church and my old Christian Spiritualist Church until I decided I was not happy on platform and preferred to just work privately.

The AFC was a place where I was happiest, with mainly like minded people though I also encountered people there who were quite ruthless in their criticisms of other mediums. Some pretty nasty stuff got said.
Therefore,  the AFC was my third experience, and ultimate realisation of the two faced nature of Spiritualism.

My life is now just my family and friends. I don’t work as a medium though of course it is still there. I find life without Spiritualism to be a kinder more tolerant life. I find less back biting between people in the shops, at social events and in my family than I ever saw in my years and years of Spiritualism.

Do I regret those  Spiritualist years? Not one bit. It was a magical wonderful journey and I loved every bit of BOTH faces of Spiritualism, and both those faces are within ME.

Keep striving for the SNU and the AFC to be what you know it should be. Please don’t use the word evil. Nobody in this situation is evil. Those you are opposed to think differently to you and they want to control but they also are convinced they are right. Keep speaking your truth loudly and don’t let yourselves be silenced.

Hi Janhar,

Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts on Spiritualism.

I have been involved in the Spiritualist movement for 59 years (!) and like you I have seen much in that time that saddened me. I have met the nice people, and the ones who want you to think that they are nice but criticise and judge behind one's back. I have seen cruelty, injustice, deception, and, indeed, fraud and significant abuse of authority and power.

But I have also seen selfless commitment and dedication to Spiritualism, its churches and centres, and educational establishments. I have experienced kindness and unconditional acceptance as well as arbitrary and unjust rejection and abuse.

I began my journey as a Spiritualist and an emerging medium at the age of 17 at the Victorian Spiritualist Union, although I had attended an unaffiliated church in my local area prior to that. I have attended churches and centres in Australia, and in England. I worked as a platform medium when living in England at more than 20 churches on a regular basis, sometimes being the guest medium at three or even four meetings a week. I saw many good things, and some truly bad behaviours and attitudes.

I attended the AFC and other Spiritualist establishments in England, and learned much about my craft, which has proved invaluable over the years. Until returning to Australia and setting in South Australia I deliberately avoided becoming a member of any of those churches or centres, content to offer my services as a platform medium, but remain independent, and therefore able to largely remain a certain distance from the squabbles and conflicts I saw.

On moving to South Australia I did finally become a member of a centre, and later its voluntary leader, and I am still a committee member and a trustee of the association. Over the past thirty years I have again seen much of a similar nature as that observed in England. While it saddens me immensely, I have long realised that it is not Spiritualism that is, as you would describe it, "two-faced." Rather it is sadly a particular strand of people who are drawn to Spiritualism, and especially its psychic facet, who very often are seeking recognition, acknowledgement, and acceptance - aspects of life that they have felt they have missed out on. Unfortunately, that need, often becomes reflected in a desire for recognition and acceptance through achieving "power."

The consequences in any given Spiritualist church or centre, when such people gain positions of authority or power, can be devasting for many. It can  cause disillusion and rejection of Spiritualism itself, because in the minds of those who have been on the receiving end of unkindness or abuse of power equate that treatment with Spiritualism.

But it is not Spiritualism as a belief system, as a set of values and guidelines for behaviour as a spiritual being having a physical life that is to blame, other than, perhaps, Spiritualism's failure to effectively educate its adherents of the spiritual principles by which we ought to strive to live.

While in one respect I would acknowledge I have seen more cruelty and lack of spirituality within my time as a Spiritualist, than I have ever seen in other areas of my life, I would also say that in many respects that is in part because my interactions with other facets of life has been less intensive and in-depth than my involvement with Spiritualism.

In reality, there are good people and unkind people "in the shops, at social events" and even, on occasion, in one's family. But, what that really should be telling us is that we are all on a journey through life, making good decisions, sometimes bad ones, being good people, and sometimes not, being unselfish, but sometimes self-centered, etc. In other words, we are all very human, very imperfect, and may on occasions be far less than we should be, or could be or ought to be. What Spiritualism teaches us, if we care to really look deeply into its philosophy, if we look past, the mediumship, and the psychism, is that there is a better way to behave, towards others, and ourselves. How we behave matters, and it is important to strive to overcome one's lesser qualities, not only for other people's sakes but for our own spiritual progression.

In the meantime, I agree with you, that we need to understand that those who, from our perspective are doing wrong, causing harm, giving rise to unhappiness and grief, do so because they think differently, and want to control because they are  convinced that they are right. That perception is, from my perspective an error. Their actions are apparently more motivated by a desire/need for power and self aggrandizement than to achieve a better future for the SNU, the AFC, or Spiritualism itself.

But, even so, while we may desire to continue to fight against what we see as injustice, it is important to do so with love and compassion for those who we feel are behaving badly. For otherwise, we are no different than them.

Lis wrote:Hi Janhar,


In reality, there are good people and unkind people "in the shops, at social events" and even, on occasion, in one's family. But, what that really should be telling us is that we are all on a journey through life, making good decisions, sometimes bad ones, being good people, and sometimes not, being unselfish, but sometimes self-centered, etc. In other words, we are all very human, very imperfect, and may on occasions be far less than we should be, or could be or ought to be. What Spiritualism teaches us, if we care to really look deeply into its philosophy, if we look past, the mediumship, and the psychism, is that there is a better way to behave, towards others, and ourselves. How we behave matters, and it is important to strive to overcome one's lesser qualities, not only for other people's sakes but for our own spiritual progression.

In the meantime, I agree with you, that we need to understand that those who, from our perspective are doing wrong, causing harm, giving rise to unhappiness and grief, do so because they think differently, and want to control because they are  convinced that they are right. That perception is, from my perspective an error. Their actions are apparently more motivated by a desire/need for power and self aggrandizement than to achieve a better future for the SNU, the AFC, or Spiritualism itself.

But, even so, while we may desire to continue to fight against what we see as injustice, it is important to do so with love and compassion for those who we feel are behaving badly. For otherwise, we are no different than them.

Yes, my point has always been that everything, everyone, certainly religion has more than one face. So, I COULD describe it as “The two faced nature of All”. The reason I call it out specifically with Spiritualism (and all religion) is because, for me, there lies the greatest hypocrisy. Also, two faced does not necessarily mean a bad side. I used the term (other) rather than bad with great care. You can hide parts of yourself, (even from yourself) that are difficult to acknowledge but are not bad. For instance, a shy person might have potential to lead the world but be too afraid. A leader can long for obscurity and non recognition.

For me the religion is the people, the ideals are the people, so when I say the two faced nature of anything at all it means the people. I also think of humanity, “people” as a collective. Everything is a “we” for me and I need to remember that not everyone shares that view and I thank you for your input. Keep up your good work.

Just calling by.....

Hi Mac and everyone. It has been a quiet week but I can only imagine there must be a stalemate in the next steps or pause for advice. I don't know but it appears possible.

I'm reminded that the official tutor dispute has been ongoing for 8 months now. Clearly, things were not right for a long time before this, but from exhausting all avenues and formally requesting action to resolve the dispute, we are 8 months on.

It's a long time to be hurting and plenty of time for a multi million pound company to have found solutions.

At the heart of this dispute are over 20 tutors who's courses are withdrawn for the foreseeable, students, the staff, other tutors SNU and the NEC. However, the galvanising factor for action is entrenched with deep disagreements about the behaviour of the current president and her closest associates.

I've watched the power grabs since the recent AGM and the unfair treatment of good hardworking people, dealt cruelly and removed from work they loved. I've also observed tutors who walked away from regular work at the college years ago, vowing it was too low paid for them, mysteriously reappear and start running courses again. Perhaps the possible return of the lucrative concession weeks, will enlighten us here.

I'm also horrified that given there is a tutor dispute the current president hasn't stepped aside from either teaching at the college or the NEC. There are so many things that do not sit right with me and many others, but one thing that has come to light, has been the significant number of non teaching staff who have either left or been removed from their positions.

It is easy to blame the tutor dispute on a dodgy contract or clash of personalities at the college  - but there is so much more to this and the dispute is one aspect of it (a major aspect but there is always more).

With this all in mind, we need to be asking some serious questions around the behaviour and rhetoric of the president. She is very good at saying what she promises, but one of those promises that under her presidency, not one church would be closed or sold! Yet there are at least three SNU churches up for sale at the moment (Hounslow, Darlington & Sheffield). Two are on Rightmove right now! How is she going to explain this to the members?

Of further concern are the staffing levels at SNU HQ. We knew from the roll call that the General Manager Rachel Loukes, was leaving. She has now been removed from the SNU website. Yet, after all her years of work, not a single word on either their website or social media! Perhaps she requested this but I find it hard to imagine that her contributions have not been acknowledged with at least a thankyou. We will see now if one is forthcoming.

Shockingly, the HR expert Rachel Shannon's name is now not listed on the SNU website either.

In the fullness of time we will know more but there are so many issues around the dispute, the SNU, the promises made by the president about sale of churches and the revolving door staff, that it beggars belief.

Alongside all of this are several unresolved legal cases. Hmmmm

When the President kept stating 'churches first' did members believe she intended to protect them?

I'm simply an observer in all those matters but what seems plausible is that the "root and branch" re-structuring of the Union and the Findlay College may be underway.  Not necessarily in a way people care for and you've only to take a look at the situation on the other side of 'the big pond' to see there familiar patterns of behaviour and similar levels of upset over the likely outcomes.

But on a different tack, when I first found myself 'in the spooks'  I clearly remember often hearing that big change was about to happen.  Understandably I expected it was to do with the so-called afterlife and related spiritual matters.  But maybe what sensitives were picking up - but being unable to identify - was the beginning of a global energy shift about to affect the whole of our world.

Maybe what's happening 'in the spooks' is just one of the many, widespread changes?

notabigjump wrote: the significant number of non teaching staff who have either left or been removed from their positions.

Things have been quiet here for a while, but the wheels are surely still turning.

On your point above, notabigjump, aside from those in Admin/HR departments, do you know of any staff losses in other areas of the college?
For example hospitality, catering, reception, cleaning, maintenance?

Slatewriter wrote:

notabigjump wrote: the significant number of non teaching staff who have either left or been removed from their positions.

Things have been quiet here for a while, but the wheels are surely still turning.

On your point above, notabigjump, aside from those in Admin/HR departments, do you know of any staff losses in other areas of the college?
For example hospitality, catering, reception, cleaning, maintenance?

I'd heard about Will the Head Groundsmen and Kelly in AFC accounts. I had also heard Dave the cleaner went but I don't know if it was during the current president. As for others I just wouldn't know.

Of Course we have found another closure but not yet the sale notice. On this one the Facebook Page shows it has, sadly already closed. Lis (joint Admin) is devastated she worked her many times in the late 1970's early 1980's . She remembers they were strict and reviewed every medium's performance after every visit. However the tea and biccies afterwards in the medium's room was always welcome, the days of expenses for the bus or tube fare.
This one must be almost as valuable as Hounslow, here are the pictures and Facebook comments