Why is there a Clash between the Tutors and the AFC Part 2

Because of the number of posts the Forum Community automatically split the Topic for previous post see part 1

trueprogression46 wrote:Mac - Narcissists are two faced - that's the point

point?  which point?  I didn't mention narcissists in my posting....  But on that point I reckon far more than just narcissists may be two-faced.        (knowing winks later added to show it's all just for fun)

trueprogression46 wrote:All will be revealed in due course.

maybe..... But how will anyone know what "all" actually is or whether it's been revealed?

mac wrote:Hurt by the two-faced nature of Spiritualism?  How more wrong could that statement be?  How sad even to say it rather than attribute the blame to where it belongs - on those individuals in the movement who may indeed be two-faced.

Well I think I made it clear enough that I included every person, all things, certainly religion, in the remark. Once again you are interpreting my words on a personal level yet it could not have been a less personal remark.

Is anyone interested in discussing a spiritual/Spiritualist topic?  whipped

Janhar wrote:

mac wrote:Hurt by the two-faced nature of Spiritualism?  How more wrong could that statement be?  How sad even to say it rather than attribute the blame to where it belongs - on those individuals in the movement who may indeed be two-faced.

Well I think I made it clear enough that I included every person, all things, certainly religion, in the remark. Once again you are interpreting my words on a personal level yet it could not have been a less personal remark.

You said "two-faced nature of Spiritualism".  How am I interpreting it on a personal level?

mac wrote:

Janhar wrote:

mac wrote:Hurt by the two-faced nature of Spiritualism?  How more wrong could that statement be?  How sad even to say it rather than attribute the blame to where it belongs - on those individuals in the movement who may indeed be two-faced.

Well I think I made it clear enough that I included every person, all things, certainly religion, in the remark. Once again you are interpreting my words on a personal level yet it could not have been a less personal remark.

You said "two-faced nature of Spiritualism".  How am I interpreting it on a personal level?

You said it hurt, which suggests it hurt you personally. .  You did not show further than the first line of my whole post in the quote and therefore managed to alter the context of the whole, which was, in fact, expressing my love for the AFC and affection for my favourite tutors. Instead you made it look like a short nasty comment and then objected to it.

Sorry, just realised you were quoting the “hurt” I wrote, it was not YOUR hurt. However, this shows how things get distorted when commented on line by line.

You said it hurt, which suggests it hurt you personally.

 I ended that sentence with a question mark to signify I was questioning what you'd said about Spiritualism viz. "Many people have been hurt by the two faced nature of Spiritualism but everybody and everything in life, certainly all religion, has more than one face."  

 You did not show further than the first line of my whole post in the quote

Indeed I deliberately did not.  I quoted it in isolation from the rest of your posting because I wanted to address only that single point.

.....and therefore managed to alter the context of the whole, which was, in fact, expressing my love for the AFC and affection for my favourite tutors.

Then I apologise.  It was an unwanted, unintended outcome.

So, AFC tutor Paul Jacobs is online giving his thanks to those who helped with the online version of AFC's Open Week, in his own words.

"Thank you from us both to Saskia our marketing manger , reception team , the tutors who have been the main team over the last  3 years for our online open weekend , of course all the students too, the regulars and the many many new students joining us.
What a wonderful 2 days , an honour privilege and joy to be part of.
Thank You again  to all of you"

Is he seriously giving thanks to 'the tutors who have been the "main team" over the last 3 years'
???

ANGRY is not a strong enough word for me right now.

Slatewriter wrote:So, AFC tutor Paul Jacobs is online giving his thanks to those who helped with the online version of AFC's Open Week, in his own words.

"Thank you from us both to Saskia our marketing manger , reception team , the tutors who have been the main team over the last  3 years for our online open weekend , of course all the students too, the regulars and the many many new students joining us.
What a wonderful 2 days , an honour privilege and joy to be part of.
Thank You again  to all of you"

Is he seriously giving thanks to 'the tutors who have been the "main team" over the last 3 years'
???

ANGRY is not a strong enough word for me right now.

Who does he mean by both? His message on facebook is with a picture of himelf and Gordon Higginson. Is he saying thank you on behalf of Gordon?

Christ only knows

Ultimately, it all stems from PJ’s ambition to become president, though, as we all are aware, he is quite an unpleasant individual.

Who would vote for him?

His behaviour, marked by frequent outbursts, has been witnessed on various occasions: shouting at fellow mediums while on the platform, berating recipients, for counld not understanding the evidence, or not acting as he wished, and, naturally, directing his ire at his own students.

Many left in tears, never to return.
He may very well be the AFC’s greatest PR disaster.

It's ironic how the SNU introduces new awards for promoting Spiritualism (Janet Nohevac Award), while some of their own tutors act in complete contradiction to that mission.

If you have ever observed him, you might wonder how on earth such a person could possibly call himself a Spiritualist.

Regarding the "Holiday Connection“:

PJ has been seen VERY OFTEN angrily yelling at JW (president) and SW (collegiate) in public on platform.

It begs the question why these Ladies would tolerate such treatment from PJ. In my opinion, it may stem from unresolved childhood trauma or something akin to battered spouse syndrome.

No person with an ounce of self-respect would allow PJ near themselves or their loved ones.

PJ has always aspired to the presidency, and the "Holiday Connection" appears to be his avenue for achieving that goal.

To any member of the SNU, it would be utterly baffling why some fo the new tutors, most of whom have been selected by PJ, are being allowed into the AFC WITHOUT full credentials as so called AFC Tutors.

For instance, Carmen Vreeburg was ALREADY listed on the AFC tutor roster BEFORE she had even completed her final board qualifications as CSNU.
While others spend 7 to 9 years progressing through the SNU to become not merely a CSNUt (t for teacher), but a fully accredited tutor for the AFC—a process that typically requires an additional 2 to 3 years.

CV and PJ share a history spanning a decade, dating back to the tragic time when CV's beloved gay brother, took his own life. She also created PJ's website and captured stunning portrait photographs of Pj, JW and SW.

You see, it does seem to pay off if you allow PJ to treat you like rubbish.  

What's the "Holiday Connection" ?

Slatewriter wrote:What's the "Holiday Connection" ?

PJ, JW, and SW frequently holiday together, as evidenced by their Facebook profiles. I believe the term "Holiday Connection" was previously employed to illustrate this camaraderie aka nepotism.

notabigjump wrote:

Slatewriter wrote:So, AFC tutor Paul Jacobs is online giving his thanks to those who helped with the online version of AFC's Open Week, in his own words.

"Thank you from us both to Saskia our marketing manger , reception team , the tutors who have been the main team over the last  3 years for our online open weekend , of course all the students too, the regulars and the many many new students joining us.
What a wonderful 2 days , an honour privilege and joy to be part of.
Thank You again  to all of you"

Is he seriously giving thanks to 'the tutors who have been the "main team" over the last 3 years'
???

ANGRY is not a strong enough word for me right now.

Who does he mean by both? His message on facebook is with a picture of himelf and Gordon Higginson. Is he saying thank you on behalf of Gordon?

Thinking on the "two-faced" discussion - perhaps PJ was referring to "he and himself"?

Slatewriter wrote:What's the "Holiday Connection" ?

Go back and read through earlier posts on the thread and you will see what the "holiday connection' subject is about Slatewriter.

notabigjump wrote:Update roll call to include known legal cases against the SNU. If as others suggest, this could increase.

Here is a roll call of honour of the growing list of people and roles who are believed to have resigned or had to withdraw their services or awards, since Jackie Wright became President. The list is growing and amongst some, are employment tribunals which are either ongoing or have been won in the complainants favour. I have removed surnames :

20 AFC Tutors plus Minister Matthew (withdrawn services)

Resigned or pushed from committees or paid employment:

Christine
Alv
Ann
Danny
Pat
Jane
Anne-Marie
Adam
Richard
Rachel (SNU)
Julia  (Resigned as elected Vice President)
Alessandro (AFC )
Dean (AFC)
Tanya AFC (AFC)
Kelly (AFC )
Will (AFC)
Minister Libby
Keith
Graham
Simone (SNUI)
Colin

To be continued….more are expected  soon….

Current Legal Proceedings Against The SNU

Employment Tribunals x 2
Civil Proceedings x 1

Let's all hope there will be happier times ahead soon.

To see that so many people have left the SNU/AFC in the two years JW has been President is surely very disturbing. There is something fundamentally wrong in the operation of the SNU and AFC by those currently in power. It is hard to see how there could be happier times ahead soon or even eventually, unless the current management ceases to be in power.

Interestingly, both the AFC and SNUI websites still list these names as currently active. Not very transparent.      

How about the NEC or Maurice Barbanell Centre?

What qualifications does Finance Director JU possess?
After all, the SNU is overseeing a budget of £14 million to £16 million.

High5 wrote:What qualifications does Finance Director JU possess?
After all, the SNU is overseeing a budget of £14 million to £16 million.

Good point High5. Perhaps a LinkedIn search is worth a shot.

High5 wrote:What qualifications does Finance Director JU possess?
After all, the SNU is overseeing a budget of £14 million to £16 million.

Good Friends?

Lis wrote:

notabigjump wrote:Update roll call to include known legal cases against the SNU. If as others suggest, this could increase.

Here is a roll call of honour of the growing list of people and roles who are believed to have resigned or had to withdraw their services or awards, since Jackie Wright became President. The list is growing and amongst some, are employment tribunals which are either ongoing or have been won in the complainants favour. I have removed surnames :

20 AFC Tutors plus Minister Matthew (withdrawn services)

Resigned or pushed from committees or paid employment:

21

To be continued….more are expected  soon….

Current Legal Proceedings Against The SNU

Employment Tribunals x 2
Civil Proceedings x 1

Let's all hope there will be happier times ahead soon.

To see that so many people have left the SNU/AFC in the two years JW has been President is surely very disturbing. There is something fundamentally wrong in the operation of the SNU and AFC by those currently in power. It is hard to see how there could be happier times ahead soon or even eventually, unless the current management ceases to be in power.

In any normal business there would be an outcry by the Shareholders and the probable dismissal of the Chairman and CEO with these numbers. Any business with this level of exit would be deemed a basket case.

Slatewriter wrote:

trueprogression46 wrote: All the tutors who are being persecuted are Empaths!

Your previous statement seems to show that you have some insider knowledge,
and your subsequent words seem to suggest that those persecuting the tutors are not empaths, but are in fact narcissists?

Would you agree with either of these assessments?

A subject well worth pursuing especially after High5's comments . One wonders what a psychologist may make of all the antics of the two major players JW and PJ

High5 wrote:Ultimately, it all stems from PJ’s ambition to become president, though, as we all are aware, he is quite an unpleasant individual.

Who would vote for him?

His behaviour, marked by frequent outbursts, has been witnessed on various occasions: shouting at fellow mediums while on the platform, berating recipients, for counld not understanding the evidence, or not acting as he wished, and, naturally, directing his ire at his own students.

Many left in tears, never to return.
He may very well be the AFC’s greatest PR disaster.

Just from people I know who have experienced him in Aus I have enough stories about PJ shouting at tutors, reducing people into tears and them leaving his course before it ended. I have also an instance of PJ and JW in the same dem, trying, individually, to give a message to someone who could not except their first or second piece of evidence despite their obvious intent to force it on them.

Why oh Why did JW throw so much support behind him

I remain puzzled, perhaps due to not have a full understanding of what happened previously, but how did/could PJ have been able to return to working at the AFC after having been removed by the previous president and their management team, and for reasons which would, if true, have surely meant his reinstatement was contrary to all good practice?

Perhaps someone might help clarify the conditions under which PJ was removed and how that removal could be overcome by the current president.

Clearly, the conduct of PJ is still giving rise to concerns, with a significant number of complaints about his behaviour and attitude toward other tutors and students alike. Even here in Australia, the word is out - beware PJ - this is not a tutor you want to have!