Thoughts on Mediumship and Spiritualism from Od's comments

mac wrote:[color=#333333]As we agonise, discuss, debate, argue and even fall out with one another at times, I wonder if we're on a hiding-to-nothing.....

I'm no historian but I've gained the impression that almost from the outset of the movement that eventually became Modern Spiritualism the lack of good mediumship has been a recurrent lament.  But what do our spiritual counterparts have to say about things from their vantage point?

The Od wrote:Perhaps there are fewer evidential physical mediums simply because there is less need for them?

The Od wrote:

mac wrote:[color=#333333]As we agonise, discuss, debate, argue and even fall out with one another at times, I wonder if we're on a hiding-to-nothing.....

I'm no historian but I've gained the impression that almost from the outset of the movement that eventually became Modern Spiritualism the lack of good mediumship has been a recurrent lament.  But what do our spiritual counterparts have to say about things from their vantage point?

Quite a lot. Are you familiar with the spirit discussions on this matter recorded by Friends of Leslie Flint?

Admin wrote:I think that the original philosophical concepts of Spiritualism backed up by genuine mediumship which really proves survival has an even more important place in the world today.

obiwan wrote:

The Od wrote:Perhaps there are fewer evidential physical mediums simply because there is less need for them?

Why would there be less need?

• We have an extensive history of well investigated, evidential physical mediumship easily accessible through the international Internet.
  The upreporting of the NDE, OBE and similar experiences which, for goOD or bad, are the focus of the spiritual seeking populace.
  The general availability of past life regression/life between life regressions through modern hypnotherapy.
  The rise in mental mediumship (the clairsentients) which demonstrates clearly on live television and can and has and will continue to be easily studied scientifically.
  The cumulative effect of the above.
  

mac wrote:

The Od wrote:

mac wrote:[color=#333333]As we agonise, discuss, debate, argue and even fall out with one another at times, I wonder if we're on a hiding-to-nothing.....

I'm no historian but I've gained the impression that almost from the outset of the movement that eventually became Modern Spiritualism the lack of good mediumship has been a recurrent lament.  But what do our spiritual counterparts have to say about things from their vantage point?

Quite a lot. Are you familiar with the spirit discussions on this matter recorded by Friends of Leslie Flint?

I was asking about the situation now....

Admin wrote:I think that the original philosophical concepts of Spiritualism backed up by genuine mediumship which really proves survival has an even more important place in the world today.

hiorta wrote:My personal view is that so much focus has been put on (relatively mediocre) mediumship and so little attention is given to the power of the Inspirational/ Overshadowed Address. The pristine signposts of past Mediumship have collapsed, out of sight, into the material undergrowth.

"We used to have an organising body"
We did mac, but they were deservedly bound to fail after they grabbed Findlay's magnificent offer without fulfilling their part of the bargain.
As is said: God - the Natural law - is not mocked.

The Od wrote:

mac wrote:

The Od wrote:

mac wrote:[color=#333333]As we agonise, discuss, debate, argue and even fall out with one another at times, I wonder if we're on a hiding-to-nothing.....

I'm no historian but I've gained the impression that almost from the outset of the movement that eventually became Modern Spiritualism the lack of good mediumship has been a recurrent lament.  But what do our spiritual counterparts have to say about things from their vantage point?

Quite a lot. Are you familiar with the spirit discussions on this matter recorded by Friends of Leslie Flint?

I was asking about the situation now....

"Now" as in what starting date??

The Od wrote:

"We used to have an organising body"
We did mac, but they were deservedly bound to fail after they grabbed Findlay's magnificent offer without fulfilling their part of the bargain.
As is said: God - the Natural law - is not mocked.

Organizations propagate long term failure.

mac wrote: Now as we generally understand 'now' - the time we're presently living in.  Not a year, a decade or decades ago as with certain mediums who have passed over, for example.  

What say the discarnates who are co-operating, and communicating, with living mediums?

synaxis wrote:

mac wrote: Now as we generally understand 'now' - the time we're presently living in.  Not a year, a decade or decades ago as with certain mediums who have passed over, for example.  

What say the discarnates who are co-operating, and communicating, with living mediums?

This is an excellent question, mac – one that I've had in mind for some time – as well as others I've spoken to about the decline of spiritualism.

Does anyone have anything 'evidential' to present in response to this question, i.e. "What say the discarnates ..."?

mac wrote:

The Od wrote:

"We used to have an organising body"
We did mac, but they were deservedly bound to fail after they grabbed Findlay's magnificent offer without fulfilling their part of the bargain.
As is said: God - the Natural law - is not mocked.

Organizations propagate long term failure.

Isn't it people who are the problem rather than organisations?

mac wrote:[color=#333333]As we agonise, discuss, debate, argue and even fall out with one another at times, I wonder if we're on a hiding-to-nothing.....

I'm no historian but I've gained the impression that almost from the outset of the movement that eventually became Modern Spiritualism the lack of good mediumship has been a recurrent lament.  But what do our spiritual counterparts have to say about things from their vantage point?

The Od wrote:
We have an extensive history of well investigated, evidential physical mediumship easily accessible through the international Internet.
The upreporting of the NDE, OBE and similar experiences which, for goOD or bad, are the focus of the spiritual seeking populace.
The general availability of past life regression/life between life regressions through modern hypnotherapy.
The rise in mental mediumship (the clairsentients) which demonstrates clearly on live television and can and has and will continue to be easily studied scientifically.
The cumulative effect of the above.

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The Od wrote:We would disagree, obiwan, on many things explicitly with your use of the term irrational.

The Od wrote:

mac wrote:As we agonise, discuss, debate, argue and even fall out with one another at times, I wonder if we're on a hiding-to-nothing.....

I'm no historian but I've gained the impression that almost from the outset of the movement that eventually became Modern Spiritualism the lack of good mediumship has been a recurrent lament.  But what do our spiritual counterparts have to say about things from their vantage point?

Noting I can tell that would fall within your parameters of Modern Spiritualism and its involvement with good mediumship.

Outside of Modern Spritualism, that's another subject entirely.  

The Od wrote:

mac wrote:

The Od wrote:

"We used to have an organising body"
We did mac, but they were deservedly bound to fail after they grabbed Findlay's magnificent offer without fulfilling their part of the bargain.
As is said: God - the Natural law - is not mocked.

Organizations propagate long term failure.

Isn't it people who are the problem rather than organisations?

Are there structured social bodies without people?  

mac wrote: 

Outside of the 'Modern Spiritualism' framework is, to use your words, not where I chose to express my thoughts.
If I had wanted to do that I likely would have used another website and another forum.[/color]

The Od wrote:

mac wrote: 

Outside of the 'Modern Spiritualism' framework is, to use your words, not where I chose to express my thoughts.
If I had wanted to do that I likely would have used another website and another forum.[/color]

Excellent! Point this Od to that/those forums and let us continue on topic there!