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Post by Admin on Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:19 am

I note that Shen also uses a single IP which matches Murgatroid and I remember all the events of last year which caused chaos. The approach used by Waller is also very similar to MU in that MU posted a combination of interesting rather pertinent posts and other posts deliberately causing issues.
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Post by Waller on Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:32 am

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Post by Shen1987 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:47 pm

Sorry to bring this up again but there is some new information here regarding MU (Waller Joel)

Firstly on his twitter Jon Donnis has recently posted:

Jon Donnis @JonDonnis Aug 4

No new impersonations of me by Victor Zammitt/Mu today, he must be having a break from it! lol.

Does anyone know why Donnis is now claiming Victor Zammit is MU? He is way off-course here but why is he saying that?

Secondly and more importantly on Robin Foy's Physical Mediumship 4U website - Waller Joel's thread on Kai Muegge was completely deleted but Waller (MU) has not yet been banned. This is suspicious why was it all deleted?

Waller Joel posted:

After the experiment was announced to the sitters by Hans, what is not shown in the video was the several attempts for "Hans" and the videographer to locate the apport in Kai's left, then right, then finally the left eye. This action was under red light clearly showing the medium's face the entire time I was siting within a meter+ from the medium in the circle. At no time was my line of vision blocked.

When the apport was finally located in the left eye, the white light illuminated the apportation and the videographer (Circle Control Julia Muegge) and the Independent Control (PM4U's own Rev. Kevin Lee !) were called to approach the medium for as close a look as reasonably possible, within inches of the apportation (see video). I was looking directly over Kevin's shoulder to the medium's right so I had a direct line of vision to Kai/Hans left eye.

This is important - So MU was present at Kai Muegge's séance?!!! Is anyone in contact with Muegge, can you guys ask him about this? Has MU finally met someone off the internet? I thought this guy would never show himself but as I understand it Mueggee who has Waller Joel added as a friend on Foy's website has not denied knowing Waller Joel and has not denied that he was at that séance... So Muegge has actually met MU? Has MUs identity finally been revealed? I don't see anyway around this - Waller Joel is obviously a fake name that MU uses but MU has met Mueggee in real life at that séance. Note that MU also claims to have met a physical medium called Kevin Lee and I have not seen Lee dispute this either. So MU is a regular visitor to séances? Is the picture on Waller Joel's website actually him? I guess Muegge could tell us.

To the people on this board who are involved in physical mediumship (I am not so can't help here) can you please contact Lee or Muegge asap about this and perhaps let others in the field of physical mediumship about this. This MU person has been defaming, harassing and insulting people online for years but has he finally revealed himself? If you could let us know what Kai's response is then perhaps post it here. No more from me on this issue I have done all I can, you guys can take over. Please help if you can. Thanks.

Shen.

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Post by obiwan on Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:49 pm

Shen1987 wrote:Sorry to bring this up again but there is some new information here regarding MU (Waller Joel)

Firstly on his twitter Jon Donnis has recently posted:

Jon Donnis @JonDonnis    Aug 4    

No new impersonations of me by Victor Zammitt/Mu today, he must be having a break from it! lol.

Does anyone know why Donnis is now claiming Victor Zammit is MU? He is way off-course here but why is he saying that?

Secondly and more importantly on Robin Foy's Physical Mediumship 4U website - Waller Joel's thread on Kai Muegge was completely deleted but Waller (MU) has not yet been banned. This is suspicious why was it all deleted?

Waller Joel posted:

After the experiment was announced to the sitters by Hans, what is not shown in the video was the several attempts for "Hans" and the videographer to locate the apport in Kai's left, then right, then finally the left eye. This action was under red light clearly showing the medium's face the entire time I was siting within a meter+ from the medium in the circle. At no time was my line of vision blocked.

When the apport was finally located in the left eye, the white light illuminated the apportation and the videographer (Circle Control Julia Muegge) and the Independent Control (PM4U's own Rev. Kevin Lee !) were called to approach the medium for as close a look as reasonably possible, within inches of the apportation (see video). I was looking directly over Kevin's shoulder to the medium's right so I had a direct line of vision to Kai/Hans left eye.

This is important - So MU was present at Kai Muegge's séance?!!! Is anyone in contact with Muegge, can you guys ask him about this? Has MU finally met someone off the internet? I thought this guy would never show himself but as I understand it Mueggee who has Waller Joel added as a friend on Foy's website has not denied knowing Waller Joel and has not denied that he was at that séance... So Muegge has actually met MU? Has MUs identity finally been revealed? I don't see anyway around this - Waller Joel is obviously a fake name that MU uses but MU has met Mueggee in real life at that séance. Note that MU also claims to have met a physical medium called Kevin Lee and I have not seen Lee dispute this either. So MU is a regular visitor to séances? Is the picture on Waller Joel's website actually him? I guess Muegge could tell us.

To the people on this board who are involved in physical mediumship (I am not so can't help here) can you please contact Lee or Muegge asap about this and perhaps let others in the field of physical mediumship about this. This MU person has been defaming, harassing and insulting people online for years but has he finally revealed himself? If you could let us know what Kai's response is then perhaps post it here. No more from me on this issue I have done all I can, you guys can take over. Please help if you can. Thanks.

Shen.

Who gives a toss who MU!! is?

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Post by mac on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:41 pm

From what I've learned, certain of his actions could land him in court facing charges if he could be identified and located. Those affected by his actions care a toss.

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Post by obiwan on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:16 pm

mac wrote:From what I've learned, certain of his actions could land him in court facing charges if he could be identified and located.  Those affected by his actions care a toss.

Fair enough.

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Post by Admin on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:30 am

All very curious, he has been on PM4U for a while now but I understand its a different profile picture he is using to that on his self created blog. I doubt he was actually at Kai's séance anyway and very much doubt that Kai knows who he is.

I agree with Mac there are many on the web who would like to find out who he actually is to take action. Yes Shen, anyone who has had close contact with VZ knows, by the style of writing this is a very different person.
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Post by Wes on Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:19 am

I think he might be Alex Ferguson.
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Post by Lis on Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:04 pm

Hi Wes,

Why do you think he might be Alex Ferguson?

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Post by Wes on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:14 am

Lis wrote:Hi Wes,

Why do you think he might be Alex Ferguson?

Well Lis, with Alex Ferguson now retired from football management and with a lot of time on his hands,
this might be an outlet for him, and if he was lacking subtlety, the MU! moniker would be appropriate  Twisted Evil 


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Post by Lis on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:39 am

Shocked Cool Evil or Very Mad 

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Post by mac on Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:45 pm

Shen1987 - if you're around I'd like to 'speak' to you but your p.m. box is set to not accept mail. Please contact me.

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Post by Shen1987 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:57 pm

Waller Joel (MU) now impersonating me on fake "shen1987" accounts across the web or posting nonsense on his Arouet impersonation account:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1014822/pg

The nutjob who wrote this is troll William Wu who goes by names like Shen1987, MU!!, Open Mind, murgatroid, Darryl Forests, Max, Apparition, mac (fake Spiritualist), Andrew Chung, Courtney Brown, OC68, Ian Codpiece Anderson and two hundred more!

This is not the first time he blames his impersonations and sock puppets onto innocent people, he has previously blamed his sock puppet accounts onto Frank Camper, but Codpiece Anderson? From Jethro Tull? Neutral

MU has created a fake website here filled with more nonsense:

http://darrylforestsonjoel.blogspot.co.uk/

Waller Joel is a woo kook who trolls Internet since 1979. He is a Spiritualist when he wants to be and when he isn’t he is something else. He claims to have been on the original Arpanet team which means he helped invent the Internet. This is why he is probably Albert Gore.

I had a secret secure line private cellphone call with the bona fides Frank Camper who said it was he when I asked and he was amazed that Joel/Chung/Gore/Ferguson has been faking him so good all over Arpanet and Internet. Camper’s knows JuJuitzu so Joel/Chung/Gore/Ferguson is now faking and quaking! As below, is below! Like in the film Nosso Lar which Joel told everyone he made but it was made in England by Spiritualists like those kooky Warwoods and George Cranley zerdini whose near dead.

This is all one big joke to him and he is actually only blacklisting his own fake name "Waller Joel" but then again in a few months he will just move onto another fake name like he has done previously hundreds of times... Lars, Michael Underwood, MU!!, Tyler Snotgern etc

He seems to have some sort of personal vendetta against Frank Camper or Zerdini because he mentions their names in a negative way and never has anything positive to say about them. On the above blog he also admits that the photograph of him on his Waller Joel blog is not him and that he took it from the web. MU still updates his own blog posting material of a parody nature:

http://wallerjoel.typepad.com/blog/

Please let it be known in the spiritualist community that this guy is not for real. I noticed he is still posting over on Robin Foy's website. He would make a good comedian but should not be taken seriously as a legitimate researcher.

On the afterlife forum he has created a fake account of me, he then deliberately posted abuse to get it banned.

http://afterlifeforums.com/showthread.php?1594-Who-Doesn-t-Like-Aliens

Yes he talks to himself on these accounts. The most I have ever seen him on is six accounts talking to himself on.

This is woo nonsense, aliens for real. Sure, pink ponies next? Rainbow skies? New age nonsense. Why havnt they landded on the White House lawn then? Scared? Give me a break. Junk sceince. The guy making stuff up. Your making stuff up, Waller. Your a well known woo-believer who claims crop circles and cattle mutilations are evidence for alien activity in your posts. All of his information is deliberate lies. Best to ignore the troll.

Shen1987

Interestingly MU on his troll Waller Joel account is not yet banned over there. Perhaps you can inform those admins Carol and Mikey as you are a member over there mac. It is very easy to get MU banned from any forum. He is on TOR using blacklisted proxy IPs just ask admins to do a check.

http://afterlifeforums.com/member.php?3098-Waller

Of course his trolling over there is nothing new, he was banned last year on his account TheIrreligiousSurvivalist

http://afterlifeforums.com/member.php?2838-TheIrreligiousSurvivalist

Well MU views this forum everyday so if you are reading this MU let me just tell you, you have failed a few things buddy! Firstly I do not care if you use the name "shen1987" this is not my real username. Look harder Shen1986 may have been more accurate Wink  It was obvious you were going to impersonate me so it was no surprise and secondly I am not Forests or Jon Donnis like you keep posting.

BTW MU why does Jon Donnis on his twitter keep insisting you are Victor Zammit? I guess you are now impersonating Zammit as well then and you have managed to dupe Donnis? Well you may have duped the "skeptic" Donnis but not anyone else!

Update

Some more Waller Joel MU trolling here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread959727/pg1

If spirit is identified and can communicate via table communications then the question becomes how is spirit using energy (force) to accomplish the table as a communication device? Ectoplasmic rods moving the table? Using the medium's macro PK abilities? Both? Some other unknown forces? I don't know but ectoplasm is definitely real. Robin Foy, Jim Warwood have debunked Jon "Forests" Donnis and his skeptic blitherings.

The accounts Forests, Tyler Snotgern, Arouet, Waller are all himself on that thread. On other threads he has about six where he talks to himself. Funny stuff but it has got boring now. I am sure that even MU must be bored of this. He can't wake up everyday doing this trolling he must have something else to do. He has been doing this for like twenty years but there is a big friggen world out there why waste time doing this... why why why. SO sad. GET A LIFE MU!! Stop bullying innocent people over the web. Crying or Very sad


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Post by obiwan on Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:04 pm

There are some pretty sick individuals around.

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Post by Shen1987 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:24 pm

mac wrote:From what I've learned, certain of his actions could land him in court facing charges if he could be identified and located.  Those affected by his actions care a toss.

Probably not to be honest - if we are talking about anyone taking legal action. MU is not using real names when he is impersonating people anymore so probably he is not breaking the law and the stuff he posts is just comedy not downright abuse anymore. Perhaps he has lightened up a bit. He has messed around with Andrew Chung and Courtney Brown's names and countless others on usenet but they did not seem to be bothered. Chung himself is a regular troll on the usenet forums. The only real name he damaged is Frank Camper. Camper is a real person:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Camper

Camper has said that he has filed a report with the FBI and they traced the impersonations to a 63 year old called Walter Rucker. Apparently Rucker has some kind of grudge against Camper. I doubt there is any truth in this but who knows. Camper said that the police are watching MU (Walter?) and they know who he is but Camper has made things up about his own life and written some silly books so I don't believe everything he says. MU uploaded some video to youtube called frank camper gets his butt kicked by a girl or something like that, found here, it's a documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho4ys8BRQjc

We can see that Camper was originally just a truck driver in the army, not some Rambo type dude. It seems MU has personal history with Camper and they are both enemies, so who knows. I have had a look at MUs impersonations of Camper on usenet and on other websites and I think it is grossly unfair what he has done. Camper may have a dodgy background but he doesn't deserve internet abuse. MU has impersonated him on various names like Ari Silverstein for many years on usenet. But the list of suspects of MU is like a mile long, so who knows. People have even suspected Jon Donnis of being MU. Practically anyone who is contacted about it says someone different!

Anyway, Arouet a user from the skeptiko forum (someone MU has impersonated) is a lawyer. MU has used the name "Arouet" across the web and impersonated him but as it is not a real name so it means nothing. I don't care if he uses the name "shen1987" either. Who might care? Well Jon Donnis apparently does care because MU is now using the name Jon Donnis all over the internet but if you read this old interview with Jon Donnis it explains that it is not Donnis's real name:

Jon Donnis has achieved a certain notoriety among the psychic and paranormal practitioners of this world. Using an alter ego has become accepted by members of his websites and forums by virtue of the death threats and abuse that he has received, both directly and indirectly, which we can attest to.

http://www.ghostconnections.com/Jon%20Donnis.htm

So the Jon Donnis is a fake name to begin with.

Well back on topic I am sure many people like Eveshi or Forests would love to have this MU troll arrested and to be put in prison as he as abused and impersonated them but as this guy has been doing this for like 20 years he is very clever at what he does ... but IMO nobody can do it forever and not get caught... Apparently the police in America and Europe are now tracking down on cyber bullying... so he probably has broken the law for many of his abusive posts. I truly believe everything is traceable on the internet, he is not a clever as he thinks in that regard. Look at Dennis Markuze the guy is a more notorious troll than MU hiding behind proxy IPs sending people threats and he has been arrested for it. Only time will tell but I won't be around to see it if it happens and I doubt it will because this MU person altogether seems to be harmless - he seems to be just doing it for joke, this is no excuse but the material he posts thesedays is not offensive anymore it's just stupid. Is he doing all this for the lolz or just to cause trouble amongst skeptics and believers I don't really know but He's hurt a lot of people a long the way but he's probably got some mental illness and does not realise. He craves on the attention... so best to just leave it. I don't have time to look into it anymore.

Sooo If you are there MU please think about your actions!! People have feelings and life is too short for this man!! I know people believe in this spirits and stuff but all evidence tells us when we are dead we are dead... if there is an afterlife then great but I doubt there is, so just enjoy it while it lasts... trolling is a waste of time!! Nothing good comes out of it and all you are doing is projecting your own insecurities or problems at people. if you need help seek it!! don't take out on innocent people like me or people in the spiritualist community!! We have done nothing to you and not deserve this abuse. When I join this forum and request for you to be banned it is only fair considering you are abusing what forums are for. If you just talked to people pleasantly and stopped all these impersonations or copying peoples posts and editing them or abusing people with insults then nobody would have a problem with you... ok rant over. I have no intention of returning here, very busy. bye.

shen.

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Post by LeroyC on Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:23 pm

Hi all,

So this is what Spiritualist 'chat' has decended into ?. What a shame that people have to troll, impersonate or whatever!!. I suppose its the state of the world!. Is it any wonder that Spiritualism is regarded as a joke by so many people. ( by the way Shen, what was the point of all that in your post ? If you had done your homework on survival you may not have made such emphatic statements about death ! )

At the end of the day it should be about ONE THING....Survival evidence ( or lack of it these days ). The people on here who know me will know that I will try and speak my mind. There is little to gain in debasing others, but everything in trying to share experiences and debate the issues.

I want to return to the issues. Firstly, I don't know Jane Lyzell who post here regularly. One question Jane. You are entitled to be critical of physical mediumship in the dark, but how much of it have you witnessed ?.

We need to get one thing very clear. Just because a medium sits in total darkness for physical phenomena it does not denote they are fraudulent...You cannot label all mediums in this way. I never sat with Leslie Flint, but he worked predominantly ( if not exclusively ) in the dark.

Some mediums need darkness to develop, period. If they use red lght, then so much the better. To label materialisation as invalid because it is dark is ludicrous. Colin Fry sat 'in the dark' when demonstrating physical mediumship, so does David Thomson. I have been in evidential seances with both of them, and with others also.

Again.

I say to Scott, the reason there are so many questions and debates surrounding physical mediumship of late is that there is an impression by many (myself included ) that so many 'so called' physical mediums are not sufficently developed and go 'public' far too early, just the same as many mental mediums.

Physical mediums will be judged by the evidential communications they obtain. its not rocket science.

It is not a light show either, groans in the dark or an ectoplasmic demonstration; its about survival evidence. IF I was a physical medium I would be asking and questioning my guides to deliver evidence of loved ones. Alex Harris and Lesie Flint did this as standard, so did many others.

If they use ectoplasm to produce materialised forms or a voice box, so much the better, but its what comes out of that voice box, and what walks out of the cabinet that matters.

I hope Scott that your mediumship flourishes and you are able to obtain through your helpers this level of survival evidence; as ultimately that is what yours, and any other mediumship will be judged upon.

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Post by obiwan on Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:44 pm

The trolling this is the product of a deeply disturbed mind IMHO.

The rest I agree with LeRoy.

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Post by mac on Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:48 pm

There are two ways to deal with a troll - ignore or ban.  What we shouldn't do is respond to provocation.  It toolk me quite a time to realise that.  


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Post by Admin on Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:37 pm

Good post Leroy, thanks for bringing this back on track. I agree with both Obi and mac about there points.

Banning seems tricky because they use so many IP addresses ignoring seems OK to me. To be honest in Shen's case there has been a consistent IP address.
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Post by Wes on Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:20 am


"You are entitled to be critical of physical mediumship in the dark, but how much of it have you witnessed ?"

This comment by Leroy invites the response that it's very hard to witness anything in a dark room...

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Post by mac on Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:45 am

Admin wrote:Good post Leroy, thanks for bringing this back on track. I agree with both Obi and mac about there points.

Banning seems tricky because they use so many IP addresses ignoring seems OK to me. To be honest in Shen's case there has been a consistent IP address.

It wasn't shen who was the suspected troll, of course. Smile

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Post by LeroyC on Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:09 am

Good point Wes. BUT I have been fortunate to witness natural spirit light brought by a matertialised form,( clearly visible ), held and shook hands with materialised spirits ( not the medium by any means ); had direct healing by a matertialised guide in front of the cabinet with the medium clealy restrained in the cabinet and awake.

Even in darkness I have been able to witness semi luminescent ectoplasmic rods eminating from the medium and controling trumpets ( seen by myself and others ). Not to mention ectoplasm forming in red light conditions.

One of the most interesting events occured to a friend of mine who sat next to me when he was patted on the shoulders by a spirit form from behind. The only problem was we were sitting with our backs to a brick wall !!....I could recount much more.

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Post by Admin on Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:36 am

Wonderful things Leroy. I just wish it still happened, maybe it does in some private home circles but I am not sure when anything like this will be seen in the public demonstrations, sadly you are much more likely to see and hear the type of things that place physical mediumship into question.
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Post by LeroyC on Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:14 pm

Yes admin, the majority of these experiences were in a private home circle I am afraid.

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Post by COSC2014 on Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:03 am

Lis wrote:ADMINISTRATOR NOTE:
On David Thompson drawing my attention to this thread on Scott Milligan, and examining it in the light of his remarks that there were posts on the thread that were unfair, and finding myself in agreement, I have acted and severely edited the thread to remove much that was inappropriate or unnecessary.

I regret not having picked up on the content of this thread before now. I can only say that at the time I was otherwise engaged and then away working interstate and so had not ever read the thread. Having done so now I believe it is quite appropriate to have removed numerous posts and offer an apology to Scott if he felt that this forum treated him unfairly. I can only say that this forum allows free speech, but sometimes that freedom is abused either inadvertently or deliberately. The administrators do not condone abuse under the guise of free speech and will, when abuse is drawn to our attention act to remove the offending material.

Thanks you Lis for your fairness, also I would like to state as personal friends of Scott Milligan and Victor Zammit both of whom I have known for many years, that to the best of my knowledge neither of them have or do post on here or any other website under aliases.
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