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SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by publiceye on Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:14 am

If SNU, plan to put Psychic Press (1995) Ltd into creditors voluntary liquidation, then why have the SNU registerd for the name to be trade marked on the 6TH of October 2010, Class 16, new application, certication mark, Publishers of newspaper and periodicals on the internet and hard copy magazine[printed.
Proprietor: Spiritualist National Union,
Redwood , Stansted Hall , Essex.
And no hidden agenda????????

Also Psychic News Ltd, is not owned by Psychic Press (1995) Ltd, or SNU. It is a Private Limited Company in Scotland, that has nothing to do with SNU or Psychic Press (1995) Ltd.


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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by zerdini on Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:30 pm

Are you sure, publiceye, that you haven't confused it with this:

These are all the UK Domestic Trade Mark Applications or Registrations in the name of Psychic News:

TM Number Mark Text Type Date Status Classes
2557851
Psychic News WO 06.09.2010 Examined 16
2559182
The Spirit of Psychic News WO 21.09.2010 Advertised 16


Proprietor:
David Smith (Psychic News)
31a Parkhill Avenue, Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire, PA14 6BS

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No I haven't confused it.

Post by publiceye on Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:31 pm

zerdini wrote:Are you sure, publiceye, that you haven't confused it with this:

These are all the UK Domestic Trade Mark Applications or Registrations in the name of Psychic News:

TM Number Mark Text Type Date Status Classes
2557851
Psychic News WO 06.09.2010 Examined 16
2559182
The Spirit of Psychic News WO 21.09.2010 Advertised 16


Proprietor:
David Smith (Psychic News)
31a Parkhill Avenue, Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire, PA14 6BS

The Trade mark that SNU registed for was 0978812001 on 06 October 2010. As New application The other two were from Psychic News LTD, not Psychic Press (1995) LTD or SNU.

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by publiceye on Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:02 pm

I do not know where you got the name David Smith, as the Trade mark is not to a person, but a company, Psychic News LTD and is registerd in Scotland Company Number 384956

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by zerdini on Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:44 pm

Name & Registered Office:
PSYCHIC NEWS LIMITED (David Smith)
31A PARKHILL AVENUE
PORT GLASGOW
SCOTLAND
PA14 6BS
Company No. SC384956

The SNU has left it a bit late - see above.


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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by Admin on Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:58 pm

Roy Stemman at www.paranormalreview has posted an interesting article on the launch of Spirit of PN and on the attempt by the SNU to trade mark the name Psychic News.

The article is found on this link:

http://www.paranormalreview.com/articles/20101104
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Spirit of psychic news Trade Mark

Post by publiceye on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:30 am

I will call Intellectual Property, to find out who David Smith is, as I was the person behind this and that is not my name, but it is my Address. I also registerd Psychic News with Company House (Scotland) at the same time. I have the printers set up and it is ready to roll, But It would be better in the hand of the team that Know it better than me. We just need it back out there, for all of us.

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by Admin on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:33 am

I offer my hearty thanks to you publiceye.

The timing of your revelation and the help you have given is wonderful.

Jim
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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by zerdini on Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:02 am

publiceye wrote:I do not know where you got the name David Smith, as the Trade mark is not to a person, but a company, Psychic News LTD and is registerd in Scotland Company Number 384956

From the Business Monitor:

Director: David Smith PSYCHIC NEWS LIMITED 31A Parkhill Avenue, Port Glasgow

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by Admin on Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:11 am

Thanks Z I am sure that you have helped publiceye.

As ever we will never quite know where you are on this subject. I Fully understand that you do not wish to create a seperation that means you are rejected by the SNU, given almost everyone on this site and elsewhere knows who Zerdini is, as I am sure does the SNU/NEC.
I fully understand and accept why you feel it is necessary to sit on the fence
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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by zerdini on Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:21 am

Admin wrote:Thanks Z I am sure that you have helped publiceye.

As ever we will never quite know where you are on this subject. I Fully understand that you do not wish to create a seperation that means you are rejected by the SNU given almost everyone on this site and elsewhere knows who Zerdini is, as I am sure does the SNU/NEC.
I fully understand and accept why you feel it is necessary to sit on the fence

I am not sitting on any fence at all, Jim.

I am not a member of the SNU as I have made clear many times. I resigned from that organisation a long time ago.

My interest is purely in Spiritualism and the Spirit World.

I do not regard the SNU, Greater World, White Eagle Lodge or indeed any earthly organisation as an authority to tell me what to think.

My interest is only in facts and that which can be satisfactorily demonstrated.

I trust you will accept this as my position now. I am not on anyone's side.

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by Admin on Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:27 am

Then Z I will accept this, but please express where you are on this matter. I mean af ull comment upon what has happened and the actions that have occurred to date.

I believe you have been involved for so long that a straight shooting comment would be valued highly by many on here.

I think everyone knows I believe that the SNU needs a reformation. The central control and actions of the NEC in this matter tells me that the original philosophy behind the SNU has been lost.

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by zerdini on Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:50 am

Admin wrote:Then Z I will accept this, but please express where you are on this matter. I mean af ull comment upon what has happened and the actions that have occurred to date.

I believe you have been involved for so long that a straight shooting comment would be valued highly by many on here.

I think everyone knows I believe that the SNU needs a reformation. The central control and actions of the NEC in this matter tells me that the original philosophy behind the SNU has been lost.

Jim

I thought my position and views were perfectly clear. I accept that there are two sides to every dispute.

A little while ago I suggested that practical help, rather than just words, needed to be given to the PN staff in need and I was pleased to hear that this had been done although the details are strictly confidential and will always remain so.

Nevertheless that doesn't absolve the SNU from its responsibility in this matter which I trust will be rectified very soon.

As I said to you, in my PM, if people feel that reformation is needed it is better done from within the organisation rather than pressure from outside.

I also stated many have tried in the past and many have failed. There is a strong body who want to retain the status quo and are resistant to, and see no need for, change.

However, in life, change is constant and situations will not remain the same for ever.

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Sun not just trade mark, Psychic news, much more, Warning.

Post by publiceye on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:18 pm

zerdini wrote:
Admin wrote:Then Z I will accept this, but please express where you are on this matter. I mean af ull comment upon what has happened and the actions that have occurred to date.

I believe you have been involved for so long that a straight shooting comment would be valued highly by many on here.

I think everyone knows I believe that the SNU needs a reformation. The central control and actions of the NEC in this matter tells me that the original philosophy behind the SNU has been lost.

Jim

I thought my position and views were perfectly clear. I accept that there are two sides to every dispute.

A little while ago I suggested that practical help, rather than just words, needed to be given to the PN staff in need and I was pleased to hear that this had been done although the details are strictly confidential and will always remain so.

I start by telling you that I will do my best with this, but I have disgraphia, which effects my spelling and wrighting, and I know who David Smith is. He is Dave who is working with me on this, and he did some paper work which involved his name being put on it. As David Smith is one of the most popular names in Scotland, I had to find out which David Smith it was as I regularly work with three. So that aside.

Has anyone looked at the Trade Mark application for Psychic News, That was put in by SNU. Under the heading of Application type: They have applyed for Certification Mark, Which if put in to laymans terms means that they are trying to Govern Spiritual practices.
The good thing about this is that I happen to know that NO organisation or person still envolved in the practice of the good and services, that they are certifing is allwoud to be a certifing body.
I know this because I was envolved in a body that has already applied to do this over a year ago, and it is still going through, this I confirmed this morning, with the board that is working on it.
The body that is set up is NOT about controll, it is just to set standards that people will be able to work to if the want, and to stop anyone else, using this service to take controll.
I stepedd away from the body after a very hard decision, I would have to stop working as a medium if I did not. At first I decided that this was to important for me to take my personal feelings into account, and that I am only one person, and that this would stop any other body using this as attack on Spiritualism, and not to premote Spiritualism. As I have been envolved in groups in the past where this has happend and I always end up walking away, because they forget to be Spiritual and want controll.
However, this time last year, I the space of one week, three people how had lost a loved one called on me, two by just knocking on my door, and the other one,by phone on Christmas eve, all of them needed mediumship there and them. I had to stop and think, that by walking away, that I could never turn someone away who needed help, and the choice was not mine to make.
I from that day stepped down from the board, but I know that all the people how are still involved are genuine Spiritual people and that they have all gave up practicing, not for their personal intrest, but for the intrest to keep spiritualist group who they are and to let them be controlled by controlling groups.
I know that there are a lot of diffirent Spiritualist Group out there and they all work diffirent, but there is a lot of different people out there, who want different things, so we need the diffirent group to meet the needs,
If we are trully spiritual people then why can't we all pull together and except that people are different and have different needs, with a common intrest (being Spiritual).
I peronaly have had mud slung at me in many occasions, mainly for having a wrighting disabillity, something that I can't change, but it is the only thing that they can find to through at me.
I wonder if the same so called spiritual people would have a go at people with a walking disability if the tried to walk, my disability only stops me wrighting, not reading and as I have proved over and over againg not understanding, and reserching into things.
I hope you all look into this SNU Certification Mark, And I know that the group that has it going though has no intention of using it for anything outher than it being thier for the people who want It.
Sorry about the spelling and punctuation, I am sure it will make someones day if they feel the need to have a go at someone, at least I will still be doing something to make someone happy.

Nevertheless that doesn't absolve the SNU from its responsibility in this matter which I trust will be rectified very soon.

As I said to you, in my PM, if people feel that reformation is needed it is better done from within the organisation rather than pressure from outside.

I also stated many have tried in the past and many have failed. There is a strong body who want to retain the status quo and are resistant to, and see no need for, change.

However, in life, change is constant and situations will not remain the same for ever.

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by publiceye on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:26 pm

Please not that this post is half of to posts I do not know how it happend, but the second part starts with
I start by telling you that I do my best and this was posted by publiceye

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Post by zerdini on Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:10 pm

I accept what you say, publiceye, and that David Smith's name is correct as stated in my post.

It's a pity that you mixed up my post with yours which makes it virtually incomprehensible. Rolling Eyes

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Post by zerdini on Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:28 pm

I have separated publiceye’s post from mine which should now be easier to read.

A definition of dysgraphia (or agraphia) is a deficiency in the ability to write, regardless of the ability to read, not due to intellectual impairment.

Post by publiceye:

I start by telling you that I will do my best with this, but I have disgraphia, which effects my spelling and wrighting, and I know who David Smith is. He is Dave who is working with me on this, and he did some paper work which involved his name being put on it. As David Smith is one of the most popular names in Scotland, I had to find out which David Smith it was as I regularly work with three. So that aside.

Has anyone looked at the Trade Mark application for Psychic News, That was put in by SNU. Under the heading of Application type: They have applyed for Certification Mark, Which if put in to laymans terms means that they are trying to Govern Spiritual practices.
The good thing about this is that I happen to know that NO organisation or person still envolved in the practice of the good and services, that they are certifing is allwoud to be a certifing body.
I know this because I was envolved in a body that has already applied to do this over a year ago, and it is still going through, this I confirmed this morning, with the board that is working on it.
The body that is set up is NOT about controll, it is just to set standards that people will be able to work to if the want, and to stop anyone else, using this service to take controll.
I stepedd away from the body after a very hard decision, I would have to stop working as a medium if I did not. At first I decided that this was to important for me to take my personal feelings into account, and that I am only one person, and that this would stop any other body using this as attack on Spiritualism, and not to premote Spiritualism. As I have been envolved in groups in the past where this has happend and I always end up walking away, because they forget to be Spiritual and want controll.
However, this time last year, I the space of one week, three people how had lost a loved one called on me, two by just knocking on my door, and the other one,by phone on Christmas eve, all of them needed mediumship there and them. I had to stop and think, that by walking away, that I could never turn someone away who needed help, and the choice was not mine to make.
I from that day stepped down from the board, but I know that all the people how are still involved are genuine Spiritual people and that they have all gave up practicing, not for their personal intrest, but for the intrest to keep spiritualist group who they are and to let them be controlled by controlling groups.
I know that there are a lot of diffirent Spiritualist Group out there and they all work diffirent, but there is a lot of different people out there, who want different things, so we need the diffirent group to meet the needs,
If we are trully spiritual people then why can't we all pull together and except that people are different and have different needs, with a common intrest (being Spiritual).
I peronaly have had mud slung at me in many occasions, mainly for having a wrighting disabillity, something that I can't change, but it is the only thing that they can find to through at me.
I wonder if the same so called spiritual people would have a go at people with a walking disability if the tried to walk, my disability only stops me wrighting, not reading and as I have proved over and over againg not understanding, and reserching into things.
I hope you all look into this SNU Certification Mark, And I know that the group that has it going though has no intention of using it for anything outher than it being thier for the people who want It.
Sorry about the spelling and punctuation, I am sure it will make someones day if they feel the need to have a go at someone, at least I will still be doing something to make someone happy.

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by mac on Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:55 pm

I'm at a loss to understand whether the SNU have actually applied for a trademark for 'Psychic News'....

Can someone help, please?

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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by zerdini on Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:25 pm

Yes they have Mac:

Case details for Trade Mark 2560680
Explanation of terms used on this page
Case history including, where available, licensee details

Mark text: Psychic News PN Psychic News Status

Application type: Certification Mark Status: New application Class: 16 Relevant dates
Filing date: 06 October 2010 List of goods or services

Class 16: Publishers of newspapers and periodicals on the Internet and hard copy magazine [printed publications].

Names and addresses

Proprietor: Spiritualists National Union
Redwood, Stansted Hall, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8UD Residence country: United Kingdom Customer's ref: SNU/PN.GJH ADP number: 0978809001

Service: Graham J Hewitt
Meadow Garth, High Street, Duddington, Stamford, Lincolnshire, PE9 3QE ADP number: 0978812001


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Re: SNU apply to Trade Mark Psychic News

Post by Admin on Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:20 pm

Thank you for posting that information publiceye.

As I said before I am so glad you joined us when you did.
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Post by mac on Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:22 pm



thanks, z

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