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Re: real or not?

Post by petal34 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:32 am

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Left Behind wrote:
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Left Behind wrote:But then, Petal, if reincarnation IS true: would we have a choice in the matter?

Very good questions, Jim,but Joan cannot answer them because reincarnation is simply a belief with her with no evidence to back it up. Rolling Eyes

I very much doubt that she can even explain what she means by reincarnation.

Now Z., I bet she CAN. Smile

Jim

Then you would lose your bet, Jim Smile

Your mentality is like your manners,at a very low ebb. Very Happy
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Re: real or not?

Post by hiorta on Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:36 am

Quiet wrote:I remember someone asking this question of a spirit in a trance session once and, from memory, the spirit avoided it beautifully - with good reason, no doubt.

In quiet times I am personally aware that I am at the edge of a far deeper memory. This awareness often gives pause for thought and is now the source of a far greater commitment to silence and the spiritual development that might come from that.


Well spotted, Quiet. Spirit never seem to confirm or deny our musings. I've wondered on this for years and can only conclude that there might be a "Prohibition Order" on such - presumably we must find and decide. Even the great SG Group are masters at not answering certain points made.
In my early circle days, discussion was hugely encouraged and the often-heard Spirit view was " What do YOU think". This seems to point to the saying 'All is within' as the knowledge was available but we had to mine it.

Great news on your other point, that is how it seems to be. We are 'at the ege of so much' if we would just quietly reach out to it. I remember so well getting a wee pointer - 'two ears, one mouth - use in that proportion'.
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Re: real or not?

Post by zerdini on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:52 am

petal34 wrote:
zerdini wrote:
Left Behind wrote:
zerdini wrote:
Left Behind wrote:But then, Petal, if reincarnation IS true: would we have a choice in the matter?

Very good questions, Jim,but Joan cannot answer them because reincarnation is simply a belief with her with no evidence to back it up. Rolling Eyes

I very much doubt that she can even explain what she means by reincarnation.

Now Z., I bet she CAN. Smile

Jim

Then you would lose your bet, Jim Smile

Your mentality is like your manners,at a very low ebb. Very Happy

Your rudeness always comes to the fore when you can't answer questions. Ad hominem attacks are your usual answer.

Why don't you just explain what you mean by reincarnation instead of resorting to personal attacks? Or your favourite trick - writing pm's - only this time make sure you send it to the right person or you'll be caught out like last time! Rolling Eyes

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Re: real or not?

Post by petal34 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:15 pm

I am quite happy to admit that I am no expert on Reincarnation.
I have never hid the fact,I come here to learn like every other member.
Actually,I do believe you giving me information about the subject......Meeting up again in a future life?
Back to 18 years again. Sad

Pm? Why don't you ask for permission to copy the pm that went to you by mistake?
Stick it on here and let the other members decide about the contents.
You are evidently just dying to let everyone know...... Suspect
Now let's get on about the point of reincarnation.


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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:30 pm

Fight!!!!!
I'll hold your coats.
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Re: real or not?

Post by Left Behind on Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:16 pm

I could construct a counter-argument for every anti-reincarnation argument i've made: but I still don't believe in it.

The basic problem is that ideas, concepts, are part of an overall ethos, or world view. Place them in the context of another overall view and they frequently make much less sense.

To me, reincarnation is like that: viewed from the perspective of Hinduism or Buddhism, it makes sense: indeed, may well be integral to the whole philosophy.

Viewed from the perspective of Christianity or Modern Spiritualism, it makes far less sense, and is certainly not integral: rather, it becomes a part that's harder to fit into the whole.


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Post by petal34 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:25 pm

KatyKing wrote: Fight!!!!!
I'll hold your coats.


I just love a good battle,KatyKing. bounce
Please join in,the more the merrier.
cheers
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Re: real or not?

Post by petal34 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:28 pm

Left Behind wrote:I could construct a counter-argument for every anti-reincarnation argument i've made: but I still don't believe in it.

The basic problem is that ideas, concepts, are part of an overall ethos, or world view. Place them in the context of another overall view and they frequently make much less sense.

To me, reincarnation is like that: viewed from the perspective of Hinduism or Buddhism, it makes sense: indeed, may well be integral to the whole philosophy.

Viewed from the perspective of Christianity or Modern Spiritualism, it makes far less sense, and is certainly not integral: rather, it becomes a part that's harder to fit into the whole.


People will be arguing until the end of time,Jim.
I suspect we will not know the truth until our time comes.
Me? Hope there is no reincarnation,as you said before,who wants to come back to this dicey old planet?
Rolling Eyes
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Re: real or not?

Post by Left Behind on Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:03 pm

Then again, Petal, there's the possibility of incarnate life in another and better physical world.

Also that we might not have any choice in the matter.

Or that we might have a choice in the matter, and that the only ones who reincarnate are those who opt to.

Or. . . , well, you see my point! Laughing

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Re: real or not?

Post by petal34 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:13 pm

Hopefully,you are correct.
Haven't they found a new planet similiar to earth?
Who knows where we may end up next.....but then again,hopefully physical life will be our last incarnation.
I am praying you are right,no Reincarnation. Very Happy
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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:37 pm

OK shake hands now.
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Re: real or not?

Post by Left Behind on Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:48 pm

Petal and I don't have to: we've always been friends. Smile

Jim

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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:18 pm

Smile
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Re: real or not?

Post by Quiet on Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:49 pm

hiorta wrote:
Quiet wrote:I remember someone asking this question of a spirit in a trance session once and, from memory, the spirit avoided it beautifully - with good reason, no doubt.

In quiet times I am personally aware that I am at the edge of a far deeper memory. This awareness often gives pause for thought and is now the source of a far greater commitment to silence and the spiritual development that might come from that.


Well spotted, Quiet. Spirit never seem to confirm or deny our musings. I've wondered on this for years and can only conclude that there might be a "Prohibition Order" on such - presumably we must find and decide. Even the great SG Group are masters at not answering certain points made.
In my early circle days, discussion was hugely encouraged and the often-heard Spirit view was " What do YOU think". This seems to point to the saying 'All is within' as the knowledge was available but we had to mine it.

Great news on your other point, that is how it seems to be. We are 'at the ege of so much' if we would just quietly reach out to it. I remember so well getting a wee pointer - 'two ears, one mouth - use in that proportion'.

Thanks hiorta. I took six month break from my development circle because it seemed not worth continuing without some kind of active spiritual life. I couldn't find that anywhere but now I can see that it is about the silence. I decided also to make a special study of Silver Birch's teachings. This kind of reflection seems to lead to other things.

Yesterday I went to a demonstration of trance mediumship by my teacher and received encouragement there. Trance mediumship never ceases to amaze me. Somehow the spirit always seeks to reach deep into every soul. He/she said the same thing three times, as if to ensure that the message was heard.

Reincarnation ........... I don't think it really matters very much as we live moment to moment in this life. Smile

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Post by hiorta on Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:19 pm

""I don't think it really matters very much as we live moment to moment in this life.

There seems to be major items in these innocuous words and pointing to quantum understanding (if that isn't a paradox in itself)

It looks as though we can learn much about 'our' idea of Life and yet not even scratch the surface of what it really is.
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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:54 pm

One of the first century mediums has it that we see 'as through a glass darkly'.
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Re: real or not?

Post by Left Behind on Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:42 pm

But that one day we shall see face to face. Now we know but in part: but one day we shall know, as we are known. Smile

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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:58 pm

Yep same chap. Good eh?
There is no new thing under the sun. I find it reassuring that we stand in direct line from such illustrious forebears. Equally clueless but beningly optimistic given those 'crumbs' of of the evidential that we are vouchsafed.
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Re: real or not?

Post by _Leslie_ on Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:16 pm

What's the point in knowing all the answers when I'm enjoying the journey Smile
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Re: real or not?

Post by obiwan on Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:04 pm

I am not sure I'd view 'st' Paul as illustrious.

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Re: real or not?

Post by Left Behind on Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:56 pm

obiwan wrote:I am not sure I'd view 'st' Paul as illustrious.

Well, he HAS had some degree of impact on the world's religious history. Rolling Eyes

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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:26 pm

Nobody's perfect. Bit of a misogynist by all accouts back in the day but grown out of it now. Works with a UK healer. I forget which one but getting a nice livind going off the advertising.. Clinics all over the place. Is it Ray Brown?
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Re: real or not?

Post by Left Behind on Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:27 pm

Interesting. I hadn't known that Paul was a control! Very Happy

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Re: real or not?

Post by zerdini on Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:39 pm

KatyKing wrote:Nobody's perfect. Bit of a misogynist by all accouts back in the day but grown out of it now. Works with a UK healer. I forget which one but getting a nice livind going off the advertising.. Clinics all over the place. Is it Ray Brown?

Allegedly - if you believe that tripe! Rolling Eyes

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Re: real or not?

Post by KatyKing on Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:41 pm

Two SNU glitterati are discussing a 'professional' healer.
G1 'She went into it to do good she tells me'
G2 'Well she is certainly doing pretty good'
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