Crash victim in a vegitative state was fuilly conscious for

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Crash victim in a vegitative state was fuilly conscious for

Post by hiorta on Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:37 am

by hiorta Today at 7:09 am

.Crash victim misdiagnosed as 'being in a vegetative state' for 23 years,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/24/locked-in-syndrome-belgium-research
Apart from the marvellous outcome and a mother's joy, this case points to 'When does consciousness recede'? Or does it? Or where to?

This young man was fully aware of his terrible predicament throughout, yet all the professional testing drew blank after blank. Suppose it had been decided to 'switch off' and use his body parts as transplants and he was entirely aware of all that was being proposed? Unimaginable!
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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:39 am

Amaing story Hiorta thanks for that.
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Post by Zandorf on Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:23 pm

Gob Smacking story. What an awful way to have to live for all those years before they discovered he was in fact "Normal in brain function".

Great post Hiorta, Ta.
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Post by obiwan on Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:07 pm

I am not sure it tells us much about where consciousness goes to. For a materialist the answer is simply that the part of the brain that translates thought into action has malfunctioned.

I can think of a reverse situation where people are walking around and talking with no apparent conscious intellect operating at all Wink

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Post by zerdini on Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:55 pm

obiwan wrote:I am not sure it tells us much about where consciousness goes to. For a materialist the answer is simply that the part of the brain that translates thought into action has malfunctioned.

I can think of a reverse situation where people are walking around and talking with no apparent conscious intellect operating at all Wink

I've met a few of them. Wink Laughing

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Post by obiwan on Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:05 pm

zerdini wrote:
obiwan wrote:I am not sure it tells us much about where consciousness goes to. For a materialist the answer is simply that the part of the brain that translates thought into action has malfunctioned.

I can think of a reverse situation where people are walking around and talking with no apparent conscious intellect operating at all Wink

I've met a few of them. Wink Laughing
I should think most of us have Smile

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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:35 pm

I think this shows how poor our concept human consciousness and current understanding of its nature. It also shows how small is our knowledge of the human brain.

Interesting that in the early days Spiritualism and Psychiatry became intertwined especially in the work of William James. The foundation of the Psychological Society by Cox also shows that they thought an understanding of the psychic faculties would lead to a better understanding of the brain and consciousness.
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Post by obiwan on Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:33 pm

Admin wrote: they thought an understanding of the psychic faculties would lead to a better understanding of the brain and consciousness.
These days they'd have to start by recognising that psychic faculties exist Smile

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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:34 pm

Ah but at that stage many of them did especially Cox and James


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Post by obiwan on Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:59 pm

Quite so.

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Post by hiorta on Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:07 am

Wasn't aware of that. So, in a sense we are heading back to the future? Consciousness must be able to function in several ways simultaneously. How little we know about our own possibilities
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Post by Admin on Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:24 am

Absolutely Hiorta how little we know.
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Post by obiwan on Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:21 pm

Admin wrote:I think this shows how poor our concept human consciousness and current understanding of its nature. It also shows how small is our knowledge of the human brain.

Interesting that in the early days Spiritualism and Psychiatry became intertwined especially in the work of William James. The foundation of the Psychological Society by Cox also shows that they thought an understanding of the psychic faculties would lead to a better understanding of the brain and consciousness.
It seems to me that in the days you refer to 'Science' was not as specialised as it now appears to be. One could be a Mathematician and a physicist (closely related I know) and invent things and be an engineer and speak authoritatively on psychology and parapsychology and chemistry and even do a bit of medicine on the side.

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Post by Admin on Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:53 pm

Apart from the social inequality what a wonderful time Obi
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Post by obiwan on Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:08 pm

Admin wrote:Apart from the social inequality what a wonderful time Obi
Plus ca change....

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