Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

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Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

Post by Admin on Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:21 pm

Hi All,

On another thread Mac has asked a very good question,
I asked in another thread what is meant by 'working with energy'. (yes I'm well aware of the claims once made by the NSSF! )

I'd still like an explanation if anyone can help me?
My response was...
Hmm Mac what a question maybe we should start a thread and see if anyone can give an answer.

Indeed I'm not sure any one person could give an answer that all would agree too. It appears that the Mediums working in this area approach it from a variety of ways to obtain different results. Indeed some are, like the Scole Experiment with voice/video coming closer to an EVP ITC approach.

The Scole Experiments were trying to use a form of energy but it seems to me, by the way the whole thing ended that this was inherently unstable. Clearly there was proven phenomena, in the eyes of the entirely credible independent researchers but I can't really see the point of a lot of what was received by the group in terms of the old pictures and apports. Nor can I see that the material which was verified fully supported some of the more extreme items to create a believable whole picture. A fascinating experiment which ended in an unsatisfactory way, leaving a lot of questions about the wisdom and knowledge involved Spirit side when it had to be shut down in "Stargate" type circumstances.

I believe if we are using energy what we are likely to see is a holographic image. This is like the idea of
Etherialisation to quote a definition - "This phenomenon is not so widely known as its sister-phenomenon, Materialisation. It is said that in the early days of physical mediumship, if there was insufficient ectoplasm available to clothe a spirit form, then energies were used to form what looked like a holographic effect, thereby providing physical evidence of spirit without the inherent dangers to the medium. This phenomenon has been seen as recently as the 1980s so it is still utilised by spirit on occasion and is very effective." It was my understanding that in the 1980's people thought that this was the direction to go in, it could take place in the light and was safe for the medium. I also believed this was a method that Gordon Higginson used.

Now two Wednesdays ago in out platform medium training Group Lis had a new guide approach her to try an experiment given the energy in the room and group. Sitting one person (chosen at random) in the corner we all focused our energy on them (and clearly the circle guides and our personal guides joined in). The result was that in front of their face a whole series of different faces appeared as if it was a video screen, male, female, bearded, glasses etc in rapid succession. Swapping the group member for another did not change anything, once we focused we had a steady stream of faces all clearly seen with the white lights partially dimmed for both members and we all saw the same faces.

Fascinating experiment afterwards the energy in the room was noticeably depleted and doing a clairvoyant exercise much harder than normal. Clearly to me we were achieving this holographic effect and I have been aware of other times, even on a Sunday when the energy levels have been high enough to potentially achieve these results in a darkened room in daylight. Conceptually and instinctively I feel this is a possibility which is neither dependent upon a single medium or trance to get some form of result. Clearly the group involved is not sitting for physical mediumship but to develop platform mediumship. Lis and I are interested in developing phenomena but if it is to happen it will be with the old rule book thrown away because potentially telekinetic phenomena in dark rooms holds no interest for us, given our dedication to evidential mediumship.

So I believe this is one form of using energy to create an image of a person in spirit. Now to create one full form solid to touch that could speak.....one just wonders what level of energy would be required. I suspect that one element of the Scole may be needed their voice collector/generator.

However, I still wonder is the whole world truly ready for undeniable proof of survival in the form of a truly scientifically provable solid person materialised among us. Philosophically I think Spirit may be aware that some would manipulate and misuse this new truth. The fact that we now could prove people survive death may not be perceived by some as a reason not to kill or fight wars.

It may, at the moment be better that we hone up those skills we have to be a comfort to the bereaved, those involved with the terminally ill and those who understand the relevance of this knowledge of continued life.

Anyway lets hope we get some thoughts on what people perceive this new energy mediumship is about.

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Re: Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

Post by Admin on Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:55 pm

Just an update we tried the same exercise yesterday different people acting as the target and with one new member in the group. Weather conditions very different this week as it was a calmer night with no electrical activity. Once again the faces appeared, although there were less and they remained in place longer. One was perceived to even be turning their head to look around the room.

This week the energy level was sustained beyond that activity allowing teh Mediumship Exercices to continue unhindered.

Interesting exercise going on between Lis and this new guide but we do not know where any of it will lead. Equally as the group primary aim is to develop future platform mediums and enhance existing skills it has to remain an adjunct to that.

Anyone any other ideas on energy?

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Re: Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

Post by iceblue on Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:01 pm

Well after my last physical sitting iam not sure if its just energy iam working with so iam no wiser now than 2 years ago. Laughing Duncan

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Post by mac on Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:54 pm

"The Scole Experiments were trying to use a form of energy but it seems to me, by the way the whole thing ended that this was inherently unstable."

The nearest I can remember the 'mission statement' is that we had been told all along that one of the aims of the so-called Scole Experiment was that phenomena were to become predictable, reliable, repeatable. (these might be my words??)

I'd always thought that these three descriptors were amongst the most important points in the whole venture. Without them it's back to being unable to reliably demonstrate what is being claimed.

"A fascinating experiment which ended in an unsatisfactory way, leaving a lot of questions about the wisdom and knowledge involved Spirit side when it had to be shut down in "Stargate" type circumstances."

quite! I'm still horrified at what had been reported in the last few editions of 'Spiritual Scientist'.

"However, I still wonder is the whole world truly ready for undeniable proof of survival in the form of a truly scientifically provable solid person materialised among us. Philosophically I think Spirit may be aware that some would manipulate and misuse this new truth. The fact that we now could prove people survive death may not be perceived by some as a reason not to kill or fight wars." I am sad to say that these are the conclusions I have reached too. Sad As I have posted elsewhere, I feel more certain now than ever that Modern Spiritualism has run its course. In time something else will emerge - when the time is right.

"It may, at the moment be better that we hone up those skills we have to be a comfort to the bereaved, those involved with the terminally ill and those who understand the relevance of this knowledge of continued life." Yes I'd totally agree with this. On an individual, personal level the message of survival is as clear and relevant now as it ever was. This is what needs to be focussed on.

"Interesting exercise going on between Lis and this new guide but we do not know where any of it will lead. Equally as the group primary aim is to develop future platform mediums and enhance existing skills it has to remain an adjunct to that." I'd say that's a wonderful way to go. Smile

"Well after my last physical sitting iam not sure if its just energy iam working with so iam no wiser now than 2 years ago. Duncan" What an honest assessment. Good on yer! I guess if it's important that you know, Duncan, then you will...and if not then go with whatever it is! Smile

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Re: Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

Post by Admin on Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:23 am

Hmm Third week with faces Lis's turn in the corner less of us in teh group with Easter. Lis sat down and the faces started appearing very early. One of the first was very clearly a Nun who Lis drew many years ago. Male and female small large different hair and some looking round.

Last ones did not want to go most clearly the male North American Indian face with paint accross the nose.

As we cut off the light in the room which had become brighter dimmed down substantially quite freaky really no one was near the dimmer.

Given this is a group developing platform Mediumship the phenomena is very interesting.

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Re: Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

Post by zerdini on Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:19 am

We found problems with dimmer switches in seances held by the NAS. You really need an electrical engineer to set up the lighting to eliminate any doubts.

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Post by Admin on Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:51 pm

Hi Z,

At this stage we are not to worried about that, we have never had light changes like that in the room and no one was near the dimmer. As this is totally experimental at this time we are playing it to the call of the guide who is talking to Lis. Its also important to remember that the primary aim of this group is developing platform mediumship

Fascinating because it has now appeared in front of every group member without any trance.
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Re: Physical Mediumship what is Energy versus Ectoplasm

Post by zerdini on Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:02 am

Fascinating indeed, Jim. I look forward to further developments.

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Post by Admin on Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:10 am

Well it is interesting we had a new member attend last night coming out of my Foundation course but recently arrived from the UK and a closed development group. She sat as the target and the faces appeared again changing at great speed, all types, male and female. So the phenomena is not person or group structure dependent at all.
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