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Post by mac on Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:06 pm

As I've said before - risking boring folk to death in so doing - phenomenalism isn't necessarily mediumship in the way we Modern Spiritualists view mediumship. But those who are not subscribers to the Spiritualist approach may well regard such entertainment as mediumship.

†There is no right and no wrong.

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Post by mac on Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:21 pm

Course if the phenomena are produced by an incarnate then it looks like fraud but if we don't value phenomena anyway, would that matter to us?

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Post by Admin on Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:46 pm

Louis Armstrong on the harmonica - that anyone believed that is a wonder in itself. I always made that point. Someone (medium or Spirit) †got the wrong idea from the harmonica break in the song 'Wonderful World', which, of course, was not Louis Armstrong, and decided to use it for effect.

There is no record anywhere of Armstrong playing the harmonica, a no no for the top lip of any significant trumpet player, anyway he always had his trumpet around with him, one type made specially, handed on every 5 years.

Now one may argue Spirit uses the skills the medium had and his UK Circle leader did confirm to me once that David knew how to play the harmonica but I am sure Louis would only, as a purported materialised being, independent to the medium, have played a trumpet given he had no experience on the harmonica.
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Post by Left Behind on Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:23 pm

Maybe he learned to play the harmonica in the spirit world? Very Happy

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Post by Admin on Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:24 am

No surely the Harp Jim (admittedly the Harmonica was also known as the Mouth Harp)........Imagine I am not sure he would get the rhythm right on Basin Street Blues with that though and I am sure he would still be blasting away. Very Happy
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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:52 pm

Interesting I note that, on last Friday, Banyan Retreat, who released the video that exposed Gary Mannion, were having a physical mediumship seance with Scott Milligan. Now Banyan signed up to the new protocols; I wonder whether they will have enforced them on Scott a close friend of theirs.

Hmm I have been wondering how much time would elapse before the Dark Seance, with no filming would re appear. Admittedly by my reading none of these rules have stopped Mannion from working.

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The seance protocols they are using would seem to suggest they will not be filming it, I note, from the information above, that they may have decided this is not truly an open seance because of the entry restrictions; so they could argue this exempts the need for the new Truth campaign rules;

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Re: Psychic News TRUTH campaign to end fraud in physical mediums

Post by mac on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:33 am

Wasn't Milligan the guy who declined to carry out his scheduled attendances at the AFC after the new protocols for recording physical mediumship in the dark were introduced?

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose Rolling Eyes

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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:13 am

Yes he was Mac and he rejected any efforts to help him achieve a way to meet them (I believe he was offered the use of the equipment although as we know well Banyan has the necessary cameras).

With Scott potentially active again, even if in a limited way as an open but not to the general public seance, and potentially working with the machinery switched off, how long will it be before another phoenix re arises David Thompson, Scott's close friend. Mark you after his episode in Queensand I suspect DT may have a few more question marks against him now and it must be possible that Banyan may require him to be filmed.
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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:18 am

I suspect that we will now see a number of others begin to creep back into work in seance rooms that will not exercise the Truth protocols

mac wrote:Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose Rolling Eyes

The desire of people to see this will always provide a willing target market despite the very obvious issues surronding this "mediumship". The wishing it to be real then helps it be perceived as such in the disorientation, excitement and darkness.
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Post by mac on Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:05 am

If folk go for the entertainment of phenomenalism they may get value-for-money, particularly if the phenomena are genuine but maybe still so even when they're not. †Who, after all, can prove they're not genuine phenomena if the practitioner isn't visible the whole time? †

If they go for mediumship and for evidence of survival then it's perhaps more likely they'll be disappointed. †I feel sympathy for this latter category but not for the former.

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Post by hiorta on Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:49 am

Aye mac. A heavy reliance is put on the visual senses in such situations. Do we overlook our other senses to our cost? Has TV been a boon or a subtle means of dumbing down?
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