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New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Keith J. Clark on Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:12 am

Hi, just thought I'd share. Keith Parsons put out a new documentary recently on this topic called "This Life, Past Life"




I found it pretty interesting.

I can't say for sure one way or the other on reincarnation. Some things I just think I "know" with relations to past lives, yet nothing can be verified - so it's not an area I've focused on too much. I spend more time on what I can find out for myself now, vs going backwards in time Very Happy

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Left Behind on Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:12 am

A very balanced and informative documentary, for sure.

My personal view about it all is very simple. I was incarnated into this life. One day I will be discarnated from this life. When that happens, I will be alive in a non-carnate life, where I plan to stay.

I don't belief I ever existed before I incarnated about 65 years ago: and even if I did, who and what and where I was and accomplished is of less interest to me than what I ate for breakfast on this date, 40 years ago! Laughing

Great moustache there, by the way: a true handlebar. Smile

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Left Behind on Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:30 am

I find myself inclining ever-more to the belief that we create our own reality, both here and hereafter, via our thoughts. Therefore I'm turning my thoughts less in the direction of wondering whether reincarnation occurs, and more in the direction of resisting the possibility of its occurring to me.

I view reincarnation the way the Eastern religions view it. it's about as appealing to me as the concept of hell-fire! Shocked

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Keith J. Clark on Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:01 am

I think that's a great outlook. knowing the past is good, but at the same time it should never outweigh the present. I've spent a lot of my life living either in the past or the future.....and most of it is not productive. now, I can personally experience things related to life after death but I can't experience reincarnation now......so it will always just be a possibility.

and since we never forget what we knew, know, or will know - it doesn't really mater (or not something to be as concerned with) - its more like a hypothetical discussion in which the variables change depending on who you talk to. Not the same as other areas of research.

handlebar is a work in progress......lot like everything else Smile

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by mac on Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:35 am

I have long been persuaded that we may experience more than one earth life but that the situation is not mandatory.

However appalled we may be now at the prospect of returning to this world, I suggest it's almost certain we'll see things somewhat differently when we can see 'the big picture' - or at least much more of it - than we do while we're in the body.

For all we know our present lives may be simply the latest of several. That we don't know about the others doesn't negate that possibility.

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Left Behind on Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:28 pm

it's all certainly possible, Mac.

I have to admit, though, that my naturally skeptical nature makes me snicker at the "evidence" most reincarnationists throw at you. Either they offer you a religious argument in favor of it - "look at the Hindus and Buddhists: they believe in it!" -- this usually coming from people who would laugh you to scorn if you used a similar argument to support a Christian belief : or they "just KNOW" that they lived in Roman /medieval / Victorian / whatever times: or else they "remember" being. . . Napoleon, Queen Mary, Julius Caesar, Henry Ford. . . take your pick. . . or if not that, it's some unnamed person who was rich, powerful, learned, sexy . . . in a world where most people who have lived and died have been none of these things.

What was it Douglas Hume said about all the former Napoleons, Queen Elizabeths, and King Louis's he's met: he wishes that just once he could meet a former plain old John Smith! Razz

Just in the past week, for example, I've met a former "Viking Berserker" : not just a plain-vanilla Viking, mind you, but a Viking BERSERKER. . . and, the Viceroy of Pharoah Thutmose III!

It's all certainly evidence of at least one thing, that's for certain: that there are a lot of bored people out there with very vivid imaginations! Laughing

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by mac on Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:59 pm

Rather like my persuasion about survival not being based on personal evidential mediumship, my persuasion about reincarnation doesn't come from vivid claims based often on so-called past-life recall.  

I take your points above, though, but diligent researching of the accounts might also reveal more mundane ones.  They mostly get little publicity!  

I'm sanguine about the whole business of what comes next after we die.  I probably don't have long to wait before I get to find out first-hand and if we're all wrong we'll never know anyway!  If we're at least partly right I might just remember what I got wrong but I suspect it won't much matter.   Wink Very Happy


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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Left Behind on Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:20 pm

There are certainly a wide range of possibilities.

Reincarnation might occur in some cases, if not as a general rule. Perhaps a person who lives a totally-botched, evil life asks for a chance to go back for another try?

Or a case of a child who is aborted, miscarried, stillborn, or dies as an infant. Rather than living again as someone else, it would be more appropriate to say that they are being given a second chance to live a first life. I'm thinking of cases like Mandy Seabrook.

The Greater World Christian Spiritualists believe that we live countless lives, but only once on the earth plane. Other lives would be in other places or dimensions: each life being in a more spiritual dimension.

This strikes me as a more progressive view -- and Spiritualists believe in spiritual progress -- than going around many times on the same plane of existence.

We also need to consider that alleged memories of past lives may be memories of someone else's life: that we are being overshadowed by another entity, or by their residual energy.

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Left Behind on Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:31 pm

I think that Patton's beliefs are more easily explainable on psychological than on spiritualistic grounds. He spent his life obsessed with military history, and became in his own mind the 6 historical characters, or characters in the historical eras, with which he was most fascinated.

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by mac on Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:00 am

Ignoring for the moment other physical dimensions it's arguable that the seemingly unique experiences we may have in this one may remain an attraction after our current incarnation, its benefit being in enhancing our spiritual progression. We're taught that's something we'll feel as important after we pass over.

What we can never know as incarnates is how things will appear - perhaps how they did appear before our present lives - from the etheric dimension(s).  We also can't know how we'll feel about the situation when we're freed of the constraints of our physical shells and the restricted brain/mind system we're stuck with.

I understand how unattractive the thoughts of returning to undertake another human existence appear and how illogical it may presently seem.  We may of course feel similarly about things after we pass over but until then we just don't know.   Accounts of apparent past life recall / reincarnation are interesting but haven't influenced me. I am quite sceptical about many although some are remarkably detailed and appear to be evidence. To me, though, the most important issue is that nowhere have I heard anything that persuades me that we are compelled to experience multiple physical existences.

Not long to wait before I find out if I'm right, assuming we survive death in the first place.  If we don't we'll never know that we don't and all these discussions will be academic!

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by Left Behind on Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:52 pm

As you say, Mac: we can't be sure how appealing a return to earth might be, when viewed from the etheric perspective, when we're operating from the earthly one. But from the earth perspective, I don't fancy a return here in another life: any more than I'd like to turn the clock back in my present life, and be forced to live the past 50 or 60 years again.

People say they "wish they could do it all over again": or that they "wouldn't make the same mistakes this time". I don't wish I could, or had to, relive again: and given another chance, if we didn't make the same mistakes, we'd just make new ones.

The beauty of believing in life after bodily death is that if we're right we can say "I told you so" : if we're wrong, we'll never know it. Whereas unbelievers will never know it, if they were right!

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by mac on Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:57 pm

"The beauty of believing in life after bodily death is that if we're right we can say "I told you so" : if we're wrong, we'll never know it. Whereas unbelievers will never know it, if they were right! "

beautifully put, J !

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Re: New documentary on Reincarnation

Post by obiwan on Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:41 am

Very interesting -thank you.

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