Why Are We Born in the Flesh, and Not Directly as Spirit?

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Post by hiorta on Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:15 am

Could it be that the fact we have consciousness 'given' to us not be evidence of universal love from the Great Spirit?
The direction and quality of our experience here is in our own hands and the outcome is of our own making. Who can pass through this place and say: 'I've learned nothing by it'?
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Post by obiwan on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:21 am

Maybe we can learn some lessons here because there is less chance we will cause damage to the cosmos? Smile

I remember hearing a Leslie Flint recording where (apparently) Lord Birkenhead spoke about the consequences of capital punishment and the impact of having such souls forced upon them.


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Post by hiorta on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:57 am

obiwan, that is the crux of the matter.
Consciousness has exploded in recent times, but intelligence has taken a slightly different route in that it has focussed on the outer person, to the exclusion of eternal values.
We appear to have strayed close to areas of accessing knowledge far beyond our collective ability to use wisely - that is for the good of the collective Planetary Life - destroying the essential balancing differentials that sustain equilibrium. Evidence is increasingly available in the natural world with the continued disappearance of species of lifeforms.

At worst, earth experience may become impossible to acquire, with far reaching cosmic consequences.
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Post by taushin on Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:52 pm

the moment that our physical body is conceived within a woman womb we have an impact and impression upon the physical plane, the creation of a new body within the womb creates a ripple of emotion that spreads out from the proud parent, or parents who are shocked and not ready for the responsibilities of child birth and child rearing, to the joy of the grand parents or to the dismay of the said grandparents, ( god, i am too young to be a granny)
that incarnated spirit within that new born has impacted and changed and gave life lesson and challenges within a family radius of both parents, grandparent and relatives alike, everyone of the people who have come within knowledge of the upcoming birth and pregnancy has been changed and effected by the news. the pebble has been tossed in to the pond of life.
alan kardec wrote a lot about the effects that an incarnated spirit has on the lives of already incarnated spirit, as thier life lesson and challenges that they present for them.
each of us is a wonderful cog in the wheel,
here we are completely physical strangers and yet our words are reaching around the planet effecting the lives of who ever may read these words, when you think of the responsibility of what we say, the Christian bible speaks that we are accountable for every idle word, for every word, for every word carries the intention of the spirit that compelled it out into the void, that no word returns to the sender void and without fruit, hopefully the fruit of what we say here will always be properous and mutliply.
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Post by petal34 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:05 pm

I like what you have remarked on,Taushin. Lke a pool of water that the rain has spread.

We grow and learn from our experiences of life on EACH planet. We are not restricted to one place for a few afterlives.
That would rather silly to imagine. Why earth only? Doesn't make sense does it?
Like folks going on holiday,some may prefer the same place every year. Some like a little variety and choose a different 'resort' every year.
Look at it like that..... Very Happy
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Post by taushin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:21 am

maybe because life is so hard and difficult maybe this earth plane might be the university course in life lesson and mastering some of the profane stuff we all have to had deal with off and on during our earth span years, the afterlife will be a breeze lol
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Re: Why Are We Born in the Flesh, and Not Directly as Spirit?

Post by morriganish on Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:22 pm

Why are all these hypotheses floating around? We are Spirit First and foremost. We come into the Earth to learn and Experience Life in the physical because we are Consciousness. in Spirit. There is no tension in the Spirit World

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Post by obiwan on Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:42 pm

morriganish wrote:Why are all these hypotheses floating around?  We are Spirit First and foremost. We come into the Earth  to learn and Experience Life in the physical because we are  Consciousness. in Spirit. There is  no  tension in the  Spirit World

Because it's a discussion forum Smile

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Re: Why Are We Born in the Flesh, and Not Directly as Spirit?

Post by mac on Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:08 am

Cor! This is an old thread, now freshly resurrected......

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Post by obiwan on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:45 am

mac wrote:Cor!  This is an old thread, now freshly resurrected......
Life after death - QED Wink

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Post by Admin on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:27 pm

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Re: Why Are We Born in the Flesh, and Not Directly as Spirit?

Post by Wes on Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:19 am

Maybe it's easier to start at the beginning, rather than jump in at a higher level half way through.
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Post by mac on Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:37 am

For everyone like me who couldn't recall what the opening posting was about....

" by eirefox on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:15 pm
If Spiritualists believe we are only born once on this earth, and then go to Summer Land, my question is this: Why are we born onto the earth? Why are we not created as a spirit, and dwell in Summer Land? Why do we have to go through this earthly life to achiecve the spirit life? Wouldn't it be just as easy to born spirit in Summer Land? I'm curious what others think about the WHY of going through the trials of earth.
If be progress in the spirit world, then why do we need to suffer in this lifetime? Why not begin our existence in the spirit world, and progress immediately there?


Recent postings left me baffled about what they were responding to!

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Post by hiorta on Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:04 am

Of course, ALL planes of Life are part of the 'Spirit World' so all our experiences are of infinite variety.
An interesting topic which is drastically limited in scope by our lack of immediate knowledge of the fuller Life.

It is probably unfair to hold the view that 'Spiritualists believe...' anything, or that their views have much in common apart from realising that we must survive physical death, over and over again as necessary. The view that we get a one-off shot at life is entirely illogical if looked at from the philosophies of SB and similar sources (themselves only subjectively proven)
If we took the main racial groups say, 5 or 6, double them for gender - although that too, is becoming debatable - it gives us some minimum of 12 incarnations to even glean something of Earth's possibilities for expression.
Should linear time prove to not be rigid, it puts Earth experience into a vast category of innumerable soul riches.
Then of course there are the other planetary spheres which we can see and no doubt each has limitless possibilities, too.

Any 'explanation' restricted to a one-off view of Life is surely inadequate.

Then we still have all the non-human life expressions.
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Post by obiwan on Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:16 am

hiorta wrote:Of course, ALL planes of Life are part of the 'Spirit World' so all our experiences are of infinite variety.
An interesting topic which is drastically limited in scope by our lack of immediate knowledge of the fuller Life.

It is probably unfair to hold the view that 'Spiritualists believe...' anything, or that their views have much in common apart from realising that we must survive physical death, over and over again as necessary. The view that we get a one-off shot at life is entirely illogical if looked at from the philosophies of SB and similar sources (themselves only subjectively proven)
If we took the main racial groups say, 5 or 6, double them for gender - although that too, is becoming debatable - it gives us some minimum of 12 incarnations to even glean something of Earth's possibilities for expression.
Should linear time prove to not be rigid, it puts Earth experience into a vast category of innumerable soul riches.
Then of course there are the other planetary spheres which we can see and no doubt each has limitless possibilities, too.

Any 'explanation' restricted to a one-off view of Life is surely inadequate.

Then we still have all the non-human life expressions.

Hm. It seems to me opinion is somewhat divided on reincarnation or at least on what reincarnates. Are you suggesting we all must experience every form of physical expression and that this is a common belief of spiritualists?

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Re: Why Are We Born in the Flesh, and Not Directly as Spirit?

Post by hiorta on Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:39 am

Ah, no obiwan. As I understand things, it is the Soul who/ which(?) seeks the experiences it deems necessary for growth.
My badly made point is that there is no common belief beyond accepting the evidence of there being no death - ever - in Life. We pursue differing aspects of knowledge, yet try to serve as best we can.
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Post by obiwan on Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:51 pm

hiorta wrote:Ah, no obiwan. As I understand things, it is the Soul who/ which(?) seeks the experiences it deems necessary for growth.
My badly made point is that there is no common belief beyond accepting the evidence of there being no death - ever - in Life. We pursue differing aspects of knowledge, yet try to serve as best we can.

Aha. that makes sense, thanks Hiorta. Smile

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