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15 People in Spirit for everyone of us living

Post by KatyKing on Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:41 pm

A 'fancy that' stat in today's Sunday Times Style mag p. 54
' For everyone of us living,there are fifteen people who have already died...'
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Post by hiorta on Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:27 pm

It doesn't quite work out that way, though.
Individuals, Personalities and oversoul facets complicate this intensely complex matter. Group Souls further muddy the arithmetical waters.
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Post by KatyKing on Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:38 pm

Well it was in a restaurant review. But the stat is interesting nonetheless. As a proportion of potential the number of links via mediums must be truly minuscule.
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Post by Quiet on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:29 pm

hiorta wrote:It doesn't quite work out that way, though.
Individuals, Personalities and oversoul facets complicate this intensely complex matter. Group Souls further muddy the arithmetical waters.

Could you explain 'group souls'? I have heard of 'soul groups'. Are these the same thing? Michael Newton speaks of soul groups in his work. He is a hypnotherapist who uncovered past lives through his practice and write extensively about this dimension of human life. Very interesting books.

I think that Silver Birch also mentioned something along the lines that aspects of a soul can reincarnate for a particular purpose but I am not sure of this.


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Post by Mark74 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:00 am

Restaurant review Laughing

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Post by Wes on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:10 am

Quiet wrote:
hiorta wrote:It doesn't quite work out that way, though.
Individuals, Personalities and oversoul facets complicate this intensely complex matter. Group Souls further muddy the arithmetical waters.

Could you explain 'group souls'? I have heard of 'soul groups'. Are these the same thing? Michael Newton speaks of soul groups in his work. He is a hypnotherapist who uncovered past lives through his practice and write extensively about this dimension of human life. Very interesting books.

I think that Silver Birch also mentioned something along the lines that aspects of a soul can reincarnate for a particular purpose but I am not sure of this.


The Nazerene was asked to, or volunteered to, incarnate on Earth for the purpose of helping us with our spiritual progress. Plus from Silver Birch's accounts he is still heavily involved with this project, from the other side.
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Post by Left Behind on Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:00 am

I don't know. I've also heard statements from demographers that there are more people alive on planet earth right now, than have lived and died in all the times past.

Remember that until the middle of the 19th century, the earth wasn't really that heavily populated. But population has been growing by leaps and bounds since then. I remember when I was a high school freshman in 1965, learning in World Culture class that the world's population was about 3 billion. Now, less than 50 years later, it's more than doubled, to around 7 billion. Shocked

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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:11 pm

Mark74 wrote:Restaurant review Laughing

I know!
AA Gill reviewing a Mexican Restaurant in Soho.
(He hated it).
It's amazing what he manages to slip into his reviews.
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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:16 pm

When I wer a lad Jim, so rare was the occurence that we would run out into the street to look if a car came through our village main street.
Everywhere you look today it's more and more houses going up plus you can't even see the street for all the cars on it now.
Has to be a limit.
Round where Mike eirefox lives looks pretty open still.
Pacific North West.
Here in England it's almost 'standing room only'.
No recession for mediums though, given that ratio we'll be kept busy.
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Post by hiorta on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:40 pm

The complexities of this matter are made more obscure by the necessity to use finite language in trying to clothe an infinite situation.
Perhaps the easiest way is to relate an Earth situation that approaches a similar position.
We are variously understood to be ‘persons’ or ‘individuals’ but who can also undertake a huge range of ‘roles’ as we journey through life. These can be as an ‘individual’ : father, mother, colleague, employer, doctor, friend, adviser – an almost inexhaustible range of ‘personas’ – as well as group ‘roles’ as members of various teams, either in employment, as neighbours, in sport, church members and again, in a huge range of ‘roles’
We are ‘different’ in each activity, interact accordingly and likely to be identified as the one who plays the organ, organises, sweeps up, sees to the printing, arranges this, that and the other – and so on.
So, one individual has many changeable skins, as it were.


My understanding of what Silver Birch conveys is that this situation continues post mortem, but a clear distinction is made between the ‘Individual’ and the various ‘Personalities’ that can be accommodated by the ‘Individual’. His view is that the ‘Individual’ incarnates while the Personality is an aspect(s) of the Individual. Indeed he allows that both ‘Individual’ and a ‘Personality can both incarnate simultaneously, but only the ‘Individual’ survives physical death. (this might be worth exploring in its effect on evidential Mediumship)

The successes/ non-successes of all facets of the Oversoul contribute to the greater lustre attained by their collective efforts.
Group Souls come together in an attempt to achieve/ alleviate the impact of major events that affect so many souls caught up in it, whether natural or deliberate. Perhaps these Groups could be likened to those who comprise organisations such as ‘Medecins san Frontieres’ but who work at Soul level.

The entire Spirit World is a vast and efficient entity, with very senior members in an organising capacity - the group behind Silver Birch being an example.
‘Senior’ as in possessors of knowledge, ability, humility, of hard earned Spiritual maturity. They are restricted by pertaining Natural Law as all ‘Worlds’ are, as well as being unable to interfere in the evolutionary processes of those whom they seek to help. This can mean that at times they have to stand by and observe the self-inflicted disasters take their course, but the deeper lessons of Life must be learned, understood and realised.
What we term ‘Mediumship’ is barely scratching the surface of the Spirit World and is unlikely to attract the attention of Enlightend Souls. The motives of ‘why’ do indeed qualify such actions.

I hope this attempt to illustrate the marvellous range of inter-connected Life proves useful. But this is only my own understanding and not any authoritive view.
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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:30 pm

Yep I can see that h.
Some spirit guides are more like a chairperson/delegate spokesperson for a committee (group soul?) bringing wisdom from more than one individual spirit.
So the name they give is for our convenience but it isn't really 'who' they are or were; it's just a kinda 'label'.
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Post by Quiet on Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:11 pm

hiorta wrote:
I hope this attempt to illustrate the marvellous range of inter-connected Life proves useful. But this is only my own understanding and not any authoritive view.

Thank you. Where does your understanding come from if you don't mind the question? There is different written material available (e.g. Dr. Michael Newton's various works and the trance talks of Ramadahn, Silver Birch and others).

Is there reading you could recommend? I imagine personal understanding might also come from meditation and the like.

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Post by Left Behind on Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:17 pm

hiorta wrote:
My understanding of what Silver Birch conveys is that this situation continues post mortem, but a clear distinction is made between the ‘Individual’ and the various ‘Personalities’ that can be accommodated by the ‘Individual’. His view is that the ‘Individual’ incarnates while the Personality is an aspect(s) of the Individual. Indeed he allows that both ‘Individual’ and a ‘Personality can both incarnate simultaneously, but only the ‘Individual’ survives physical death. (this might be worth exploring in its effect on evidential Mediumship)

This whole idea is obviously contradicted by evidential mediumship.

How could a medium link with, talk to, bring back the voice of, cause to materialize, your Aunt Matilda? How could "she" relate stories of the things the two of you did together when you were a lad?

"She" would be gone forever when her body died. The medium who claims to have contacted her would either be defrauding you, or is being defrauded by an imposter spirit. Shocked

Jim

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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:20 pm

A quick Google on 'group souls' brought up loads of links to Theosophy sites. Could be something to do with them.
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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:28 pm

We were taught as Kids in Lyceum that we are a tripartite being.
Body (obvious)
spirit (The soul's 'body')
And soul.. the abiding 'who we really are' in and tghrough the eyes of Spirit. The real true us.
When small s spirits talk to me I am in communication with someone's soul inhabiting a spirit body. The spirit body lives in Summerland but pops over to our side for a chat if the link is there.

Small s 'spirit' to be used for folk in spirit individually or collectively. Big S 'Spirit' for what your chums who went to orthodox Sunday schools were told was called 'God'.

I know it's a bit simplistic but it stuck with me as a kid and I've never come across anything more convincing yet.
HTH.
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