Can Spirits no know how to reach us?

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Post by Left Behind on Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:51 pm

I'm currently reading Arthur Findlay's excellent book, Where Two Worlds Meet.

On Pages 247-8, while at a seance, one sitter asks the spirit (referring to seances and mediumship), "Are there many on your side, Mr. Potter, who do not know of this?"

And receives in reply: "Mr. Cameron, there are myriads here who do not know about this means of communication at all."

Have any of you heard of this before?

Could this be one of the reasons we have trouble making contact with the spirits we want to?


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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:57 pm

There's a bit in ACD where someone comes across talking about those who pass but maintain their earthly blinkered attitudes. He cites a Plymouith Brother in Spirit who refuses to acknowledge that he's actually where he is.
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Post by mac on Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:03 pm

Left Behind wrote:I'm currently reading Arthur Findlay's excellent book, Where Two Worlds Meet.

On Pages 247-8, while at a seance, one sitter asks the spirit (referring to seances and mediumship), "Are there many on your side, Mr. Potter, who do not know of this?"

And receives in reply: "Mr. Cameron, there are myriads here who do not know about this means of communication at all."

Have any of you heard of this before?

Could this be one of the reasons we have trouble making contact with the spirits we want to?


Jim

I've always thought that transdimensional communication is not likely to be known about much more in the etheric than it is here in the physical. Logically there isn't likely to be any significant degree of homogeneity in terms of spiritual progress and understanding so why would one expect homogeneity in awareness of communication through mediumship et al?

And if one is persuaded by the notion of multiple lives, it's even more understandable why folk will be at many different levels of understanding according to their personal spiritual development - rather like the situation we see in the physical.

Maybe those who do know about this 'stuff' 'over-there' are viewed in a similar way to those who know about it 'over here'? It wouldn't surprise me for an instant Wink

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Post by KatyKing on Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:24 pm

Like attracts like so maybe we just get what and who we are looking for in the main.
When you think how many millions of folk there must be in spirit factored against the few Spiritualists on this side that there are or have ever been since we began then communication via mediums is minuscule.
I really like that idea of Spiritualist-communicating spirits being looked on by other spirits in the same way folk on this side view 'us'.
"What are you wasting your time on that nonsense for?"...... they could be asked.
Sound familiar?
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Post by Admin on Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:47 pm

KatyKing wrote:There's a bit in ACD where someone comes across talking about those who pass but maintain their earthly blinkered attitudes. He cites a Plymouith Brother in Spirit who refuses to acknowledge that he's actually where he is.

Interesting does he say where that info came from, If you look at the Tom Harrison video Visitors From the Other Side we get the same story. When I hear it repeated sometimes it gives me confidence but I just wonder whether we have an urban Spiritulist myth.

I think this whole area is very complex and one answer will not fit all. Certainly when those who pooh poohed the idea come to communicate they are retiscent.

I notice that in many cases other relatives provide an energy bridge to facilitate the communication. I have also heard that Spirits who have developed the skill of communication help others discover it. It seems it does not come naturally to everyone. Ther are also multiple reasons why Spirit may not communicate or are retiscent to do so. Those where the relationships were badly damaged, the abuser of his daughter was a very tough link to deal with thank God it was not a public demo.

Jim
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Post by hiorta on Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:24 am

SB speaks of a more complex set of circumstances ie. we are not simply as Mediumistic evidence might suggest. He mentions the Individual/ Personality 'overlap' (for want of a better term) and the Personality being purely a material construct that ends with physical death. Spirit have this enviable ability to flexibly appear as suits the occasion.
It really boils down to the only sure way of raising our vibrations is to build our characters, while we have the opportunity, in this Earthly chapter of eternal Life.

Arthur Findlay arrived at similar conclusions when working with John Sloan, producing many literary works in support of his understanding.
Knowlege of survival is a great platform to launch the individual's investigation from, but knowledge on its own does not provide the substance and growth that practical application of the lessons bring to us.
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Post by zerdini on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:13 am

hiorta wrote:SB speaks of a more complex set of circumstances ie. we are not simply as Mediumistic evidence might suggest. He mentions the Individual/ Personality 'overlap' (for want of a better term) and the Personality being purely a material construct that ends with physical death. Spirit have this enviable ability to flexibly appear as suits the occasion.
It really boils down to the only sure way of raising our vibrations is to build our characters, while we have the opportunity, in this Earthly chapter of eternal Life.

Arthur Findlay arrived at similar conclusions when working with John Sloan, producing many literary works in support of his understanding.
Knowlege of survival is a great platform to launch the individual's investigation from, but knowledge on its own does not provide the substance and growth that practical application of the lessons bring to us.

Well said, hiorta. Smile

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Post by KatyKing on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am

Crikey George we agree! Top class comment h. Spiritualism without practical application
is merely a sideshow. What are we 'doing' with that which we know?
A popular text on Lyceum walls was ever.....
Hearts to Spirit. Hands to work.
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Post by zerdini on Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:14 am

KatyKing wrote:Crikey George we agree! Top class comment h. Spiritualism without practical application
is merely a sideshow. What are we 'doing' with that which we know?
A popular text on Lyceum walls was ever.....
Hearts to Spirit. Hands to work.

I agreed with hiorta as I haven't read anything similar from you.

In any case shouldn't you be at work instead of commenting on everything on the forum? You seem to be obsessed with the need to comment on everything.

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Post by KatyKing on Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:30 am

Thank you for your concern George.
Thankfully twelve hour days are few and far between in teaching. I shall however share your kindness with this evening's Year 2s. They would have one available 'on tap' 24\7 were they allowed to.
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Post by Left Behind on Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:37 pm

mac wrote:

[color=black]I've always thought that transdimensional communication is not likely to be known about much more in the etheric than it is here in the physical. Logically there isn't likely to be any significant degree of homogeneity in terms of spiritual progress and understanding so why would one expect homogeneity in awareness of communication through mediumship et al?

I have to admit that I never thought of it that way, Mac: but it certainly does make good sense. We often assume that those in the next plane know everything or at least, know much more than we do: and that may very well not necessarily be so. Neutral

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Post by Left Behind on Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:39 pm

zerdini wrote:
KatyKing wrote:Crikey George we agree! Top class comment h. Spiritualism without practical application
is merely a sideshow. What are we 'doing' with that which we know?
A popular text on Lyceum walls was ever.....
Hearts to Spirit. Hands to work.

I agreed with hiorta as I haven't read anything similar from you.

In any case shouldn't you be at work instead of commenting on everything on the forum? You seem to be obsessed with the need to comment on everything.

Why criticize Peter for being our most active poster? I enjoy his comments, and he gets so many discussions started, or keeps them going.

Jim

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Post by mac on Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Left Behind wrote:
mac wrote:

[color=black]I've always thought that transdimensional communication is not likely to be known about much more in the etheric than it is here in the physical. Logically there isn't likely to be any significant degree of homogeneity in terms of spiritual progress and understanding so why would one expect homogeneity in awareness of communication through mediumship et al?

I have to admit that I never thought of it that way, Mac: but it certainly does make good sense. We often assume that those in the next plane know everything or at least, know much more than we do: and that may very well not necessarily be so. Neutral

Jim

It's an assumption made by many, Jim. I did it myself for a short time. Smile

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Post by Left Behind on Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:43 pm

hiorta wrote:
It really boils down to the only sure way of raising our vibrations is to build our characters, while we have the opportunity, in this Earthly chapter of eternal Life.

Knowlege of survival is a great platform to launch the individual's investigation from, but knowledge on its own does not provide the substance and growth that practical application of the lessons bring to us.

I think that no real Spiritualist, Christian, member of any other faith, or well-menaing member of none, could dispute those ideas, Hiorta. Excellent points! Very Happy

Jim

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Post by KatyKing on Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:06 pm

I don' think George was criticising as much as being caring Im. His wry humour only peeks through posts. But peek it does. I'll not be as prolific posting now work restarted but will keep my hand in when time available. Hopefully it will stop raining long enough t get cabbage plants in soon. One dry day we've had since Good Friday!
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Post by Admin on Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:59 pm

Ah Adelaide in Autumn beautiful one day perfect the next 30C yesterday cool nights and mornings no rain for 3 weeks but we will get a freshen up at the weekend with a cool change down to 20c, thats just a bit cold by Autumn standards


Back on topic, I love the circles where everyone has to sit in the same seats so that there guides will no where they are. If that was really the case how would loved one's in Spirit have the slightest idea where there family were.
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Post by KatyKing on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:52 pm

LOL
So if you swapped seats would you get the other person's guide and they get yours?
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Post by petal34 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:12 pm

The mind boggles! How come in spiritualist church,the medium knows exactly where to come when giving a message. I.e.. 'I have a message for the lady sitting over there,wearing a blue sweater and purple slacks'
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Post by zerdini on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:03 pm

petal34 wrote:The mind boggles! How come in spiritualist church,the medium knows exactly where to come when giving a message. I.e.. 'I have a message for the lady sitting over there,wearing a blue sweater and purple slacks'
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Frivolous questions deserve a frivolous answer but I don't intend wasting my time.

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Post by Left Behind on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:24 pm

zerdini wrote:
petal34 wrote:The mind boggles! How come in spiritualist church,the medium knows exactly where to come when giving a message. I.e.. 'I have a message for the lady sitting over there,wearing a blue sweater and purple slacks'
.

Frivolous questions deserve a frivolous answer but I don't intend wasting my time.

If you posted the answer, then it would answer Petal's question, which wouldn't be a frivolous effort.

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Post by zerdini on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:29 pm

Left Behind wrote:
zerdini wrote:
petal34 wrote:The mind boggles! How come in spiritualist church,the medium knows exactly where to come when giving a message. I.e.. 'I have a message for the lady sitting over there,wearing a blue sweater and purple slacks'
.

Frivolous questions deserve a frivolous answer but I don't intend wasting my time.

If you posted the answer, then it would answer Petal's question, which wouldn't be a frivolous effort.

Jim
She is just being silly as she knows the answer as she has stated often enough.

Posting for the sake of posting is a waste of time and energy.

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Post by KatyKing on Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:36 pm

Fun though.
[still raining]
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Post by zerdini on Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:32 pm

KatyKing wrote:Fun though.
[still raining]

I wonder if Admin thinks it's fun.

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Post by petal34 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:26 pm

zerdini wrote:
petal34 wrote:The mind boggles! How come in spiritualist church,the medium knows exactly where to come when giving a message. I.e.. 'I have a message for the lady sitting over there,wearing a blue sweater and purple slacks'
.

Frivolous questions deserve a frivolous answer but I don't intend wasting my time.

Who asked you too? Cool
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Post by zerdini on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:10 pm

petal34 wrote:
zerdini wrote:
petal34 wrote:The mind boggles! How come in spiritualist church,the medium knows exactly where to come when giving a message. I.e.. 'I have a message for the lady sitting over there,wearing a blue sweater and purple slacks'
.

Frivolous questions deserve a frivolous answer but I don't intend wasting my time.

Who asked you too? Cool

Why waste time and energy posting anything on this forum when you already know the answer?

Your rudeness is not appreciated.

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