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Post by Azur on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:37 am

What are peoples thoughts on rescue mediumship. It has always been a phase of mediumship that I am not sure if I can accept or not.

We see spirit as an intelligence, how can spirit get stuck, between two worlds as they say. Surely that intelligence from the other world would help those stuck and not let them linger in a perpetual dream like state, often described as the earthbound plane.

But then again free will comes to mind, perhaps they have a choice to stay or cross over to the higher life.

We have great medium's from the past who worked with rescue mediumship, the likes of Emily S. French, Ethel Johnson Meyers and then we have other great medium's who would say rescue mediumship is nonsense.

Would love to read peoples views on this subject.



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Post by obiwan on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:45 am

"Thirty Years Among The Dead" by Carl Wickland is worth a read.

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Post by Azur on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:59 am

obiwan wrote:"Thirty Years Among The Dead" by Carl Wickland is worth a read.

Thanks obwan, I have it, I agree it's very good.

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Post by zerdini on Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:49 pm

Azur wrote:
obiwan wrote:"Thirty Years Among The Dead" by Carl Wickland is worth a read.

Thanks obwan, I have it, I agree it's very good.

Also by Dr Carl Wickland - "The Gateway of Understanding".

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Post by Azur on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:04 pm

zerdini wrote:
Azur wrote:
obiwan wrote:"Thirty Years Among The Dead" by Carl Wickland is worth a read.

Thanks obwan, I have it, I agree it's very good.

Also by Dr Carl Wickland - "The Gateway of Understanding".

Thanks z

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Post by zerdini on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:15 pm

Azur wrote:
zerdini wrote:
Azur wrote:
obiwan wrote:"Thirty Years Among The Dead" by Carl Wickland is worth a read.

Thanks obwan, I have it, I agree it's very good.

Also by Dr Carl Wickland - "The Gateway of Understanding".

Thanks z

By the way, it's available online.

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Post by Azur on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:35 pm

zerdini wrote:
Azur wrote:
zerdini wrote:
Azur wrote:
obiwan wrote:"Thirty Years Among The Dead" by Carl Wickland is worth a read.

Thanks obwan, I have it, I agree it's very good.

Also by Dr Carl Wickland - "The Gateway of Understanding".

Thanks z

By the way, it's available online.

Thanks z

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Post by zerdini on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:28 pm

We have great medium's from the past who worked with rescue mediumship, the likes of Emily S. French, Ethel Johnson Meyers and then we have other great medium's who would say rescue mediumship is nonsense.


I've never met a well-known medium who has said it is nonsense. The mediums I have known and who I respect say that rescue mediumship is a specialised form of mediumship and should be never undertaken lightly.

Riley Heagerty's book "The French Revelation" featuring the mediumsip of Emily French gives many examples of rescue mediumship.

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Post by Admin on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:17 pm

Like you Azur I am not certain about this type of mediumship. I believe that there can be a definite over emphasis on this work, surely Spirit are more able to rescue a Spirit than anyone in a physical body. However even before I became involved in Spiritualism I could be aware of people who clearly had not realised that they had died (or as I now realise had no one on the other side to meet them).

One of my strangest experiences was being aware of a man in the corner, sitting quietly looking out of the window of what had been his lounge but was now a bedroom. I was so disconcerted I built a wardrobe in that space, as I went out in the morning though I opened the door so he could look out again. After I met Lis she helped him to move on into his Spirit life.
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Post by obiwan on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:36 pm

Admin wrote:Like you Azur I am not certain about this type of mediumship. I believe that there can be a definite over emphasis on this work, surely Spirit are more able to rescue a Spirit than anyone in a physical body. However even before I became involved in Spiritualism I could be aware of people who clearly had not realised that they had died (or as I now realise had no one on the other side to meet them).

One of my strangest experiences was being aware of a man in the corner, sitting quietly looking out of the window of what had been his lounge but was now a bedroom. I was so disconcerted I built a wardrobe in that space, as I went out in the morning though I opened the door so he could look out again. After I met Lis she helped him to move on into his Spirit life.
Quite a few purported communicators explain why it might be more difficult for them to communicate with such errant souls than for a medium.

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Post by Azur on Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:41 am

zerdini wrote:
We have great medium's from the past who worked with rescue mediumship, the likes of Emily S. French, Ethel Johnson Meyers and then we have other great medium's who would say rescue mediumship is nonsense.


I've never met a well-known medium who has said it is nonsense. The mediums I have known and who I respect say that rescue mediumship is a specialised form of mediumship and should be never undertaken lightly.

Riley Heagerty's book "The French Revelation" featuring the mediumsip of Emily French gives many examples of rescue mediumship.

I have The French Revelation and it's a wonderful book. There have been a few that have mentioned spirits don't get trapped/stuck.

I think it really boils down to experience, but it's a subject that leaves me on the fence. Thanks for your reply z.

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Post by Azur on Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:04 am

Admin wrote:Like you Azur I am not certain about this type of mediumship. I believe that there can be a definite over emphasis on this work, surely Spirit are more able to rescue a Spirit than anyone in a physical body. However even before I became involved in Spiritualism I could be aware of people who clearly had not realised that they had died (or as I now realise had no one on the other side to meet them).

One of my strangest experiences was being aware of a man in the corner, sitting quietly looking out of the window of what had been his lounge but was now a bedroom. I was so disconcerted I built a wardrobe in that space, as I went out in the morning though I opened the door so he could look out again. After I met Lis she helped him to move on into his Spirit life.

I agree very much with the over emphasis Jim. I like Gordon's take on it: Rescue Mediumship is rescuing the condition and not the spirit. It's like the ghost phenomena, where there is a strain left behind of something, if a person dies violently they don't take that violent death into the spirit world. The physical can suffer, but not the spiritual, rescue work is clearing up the stains of the world.

The whole spiritual concept of rescue mediumship is taking negativity out of the world, clearing it up again.

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Post by obiwan on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:50 am

Azur wrote:

Rescue Mediumship is rescuing the condition and not the spirit.
Sounds a bit 'cheese paring' to me. Mad

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Post by nick pettitt on Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:40 pm

The Abu Trust do some rescue recordings which are well worth a listen in you're interested in rescue work...

http://www.abutrust.co.uk/html/rescue_cases.html

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Post by mac on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:16 pm

"However even before I became involved in Spiritualism I could be aware of people who clearly had not realised that they had died (or as I now realise had no one on the other side to meet them)."

I can understand the lack of realisation that death had occurred but I'm troubled by the suggestion that "....as I now realise had no one on the other side to meet them."

Does that mean that no-one had undertaken (or that discarnate helpers were unaware or simply declined) to meet that new arrival?

Or does it mean that the new arrival couldn't reconcile his new situation and also was unaware of helpers at hand?

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Post by Admin on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:52 pm

Good questions Mac, I also feel, like Azur that this whole area of rescue work has received a lot more attention than it really needs to have.

However that is my opinion and I am willing to change it if sufficient infor,ation comes to hand.

in some ways I see a parallel between this and the constant return of the ascension movement. Those who follow this frequently start with "channelling" now the information is either a total fraud or an unintentional fraud because it is a build up of material from their own subconscious or it is Spirit contact but from entities being, if you like mischevious. Rescue work adds an extra imponderable it could really be a spirit needing help.
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Post by zerdini on Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:40 am

Admin wrote:Good questions Mac, I also feel, like Azur that this whole area of rescue work has received a lot more attention than it really needs to have.

However that is my opinion and I am willing to change it if sufficient infor,ation comes to hand.

in some ways I see a parallel between this and the constant return of the ascension movement. Those who follow this frequently start with "channelling" now the information is either a total fraud or an unintentional fraud because it is a build up of material from their own subconscious or it is Spirit contact but from entities being, if you like mischevious. Rescue work adds an extra imponderable it could really be a spirit needing help.

'Rescue' is probably not the right word. There are many earthbound souls who find themselves in a miasma from which they seem unable to free themselves. They need help. They are in a world of their own creation. Until a desire arises within them for help and understanding of their condition the spirit world cannot help and sometimes they are drawn to circles on earth who are able to help.

In "The Road of Many Ways" a South African trance circle was able to help many who had lost their way.

It is on this forum:

http://www.spiritualismlink.com/f22-trance-transfiguration-and-direct-voice

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Post by Admin on Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:01 am

Z I am frustrated that I can not find either of the first two volumes of this trilogy ( of which it appears the third volume was not published). The road of many ways is excellent.
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Post by Azur on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:29 pm

zerdini wrote:
Admin wrote:Good questions Mac, I also feel, like Azur that this whole area of rescue work has received a lot more attention than it really needs to have.

However that is my opinion and I am willing to change it if sufficient infor,ation comes to hand.

in some ways I see a parallel between this and the constant return of the ascension movement. Those who follow this frequently start with "channelling" now the information is either a total fraud or an unintentional fraud because it is a build up of material from their own subconscious or it is Spirit contact but from entities being, if you like mischevious. Rescue work adds an extra imponderable it could really be a spirit needing help.

'Rescue' is probably not the right word. There are many earthbound souls who find themselves in a miasma from which they seem unable to free themselves. They need help. They are in a world of their own creation. Until a desire arises within them for help and understanding of their condition the spirit world cannot help and sometimes they are drawn to circles on earth who are able to help.

In "The Road of Many Ways" a South African trance circle was able to help many who had lost their way.

It is on this forum:

http://www.spiritualismlink.com/f22-trance-transfiguration-and-direct-voice

Thanks z, will try check that book out.

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Post by zerdini on Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Admin wrote:Z I am frustrated that I can not find either of the first two volumes of this trilogy ( of which it appears the third volume was not published). The road of many ways is excellent.

I noticed your appeal on the internet, Jim, for a copy of "Road Of Many Ways" which you wanted to scan as an E-Book.

I also noted that the trilogy wasn't completed apparently which leaves the two published books.

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