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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:23 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:If the shool example are soo good it wuld have continjuing and never stopt!, sorry there are more ??? mark den it is a marveles story!

I am sure it has it's reasons for ceasing, such a shame it did! But it's like everything, sometimes things happen for a reason, it surely doesn't mean that it wasn't genuine because it stopped operation. I aware Robin and Sandra now sit for phenomena in Spain, and I wish them continued success like anyone who has a passion for the Spirit.

I whish them sucess aswell but if he is as spiritual as he meet mee it whil not bee of any whalju, you shuld liv as you preach.
I dont aprow what he is doing in PM4U - letting circles telling there developing in there - i ghes it whil end up the same thing in his cirkel.
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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:25 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:You cant qwestjun the scool exampel and robert Foy!

Why can't I, now I am really confused lol!
I men any - cant!
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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:28 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:You cant qwestjun the scool exampel and robert Foy!

Why can't I, now I am really confused lol!
I men any - cant!

You mean anyone, oh sorry wires crossed again lol!

No I disagree, SPR have questioned and researched the Scole Group, have you read the Scole Report published by the SPR?

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:29 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:You cant qwestjun the scool exampel and robert Foy!

Why can't I, now I am really confused lol!
I men any - cant!

You mean anyone, oh sorry wires crossed again lol!

No I disagree, SPR have questioned and researched the Scole Group, have you read the Scole Report published by the SPR?

NO!
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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:30 pm

I have reed the book but not by SPR
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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:33 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:I have reed the book but not by SPR

Ah I see you haven't read the actual Scole Report !

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:37 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:I have reed the book but not by SPR

Ah I see you haven't read the actual Scole Report !

If you men the bok Robin foy has whrithen i have!
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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:43 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:I have reed the book but not by SPR

Ah I see you haven't read the actual Scole Report !

If you men the bok Robin foy has whrithen i have!

No, no, it's different Jane, I have Robins books!
The SPR (Society for Psychical Research) investigated the Scole Group and the SPR published it's findings in a journal called ''The Scole Report''

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:52 pm

No havent reed that one then - where can i goth hold of that (if it is intresting) can you tell some what they were qwestejing?
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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:53 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:If the shool example are soo good it wuld have continjuing and never stopt!, sorry there are more ??? mark den it is a marveles story!

I am sure it has it's reasons for ceasing, such a shame it did! But it's like everything, sometimes things happen for a reason, it surely doesn't mean that it wasn't genuine because it stopped operation. I aware Robin and Sandra now sit for phenomena in Spain, and I wish them continued success like anyone who has a passion for the Spirit.

I whish them sucess aswell but if he is as spiritual as he meet mee it whil not bee of any whalju, you shuld liv as you preach.
I dont aprow what he is doing in PM4U - letting circles telling there developing in there - i ghes it whil end up the same thing in his cirkel.

I don't know Jane, I personally don't know the man so it would be wrong of me too make judgement, do you know Robin personally?

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:55 pm

no I dont knowe him persenly more then what i have ben talking to him trou email and on PM4U
but the way hee treted me say alot:(
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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:58 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:No havent reed that one then - where can i goth hold of that (if it is intresting) can you tell some what they were qwestejing?

You could contact the SPR, just google SPR London, or here is SPR telephone number 0044 0207 9378984

They are always very helpful.

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Post by Jane Lyzell on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:10 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:No havent reed that one then - where can i goth hold of that (if it is intresting) can you tell some what they were qwestejing?

You could contact the SPR, just google SPR London, or here is SPR telephone number 0044 0207 9378984

They are always very helpful.

Thanks but can you tell mee what they critisais ore are they just investigathe ?
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Post by obiwan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:15 pm

I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:19 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:No havent reed that one then - where can i goth hold of that (if it is intresting) can you tell some what they were qwestejing?

You could contact the SPR, just google SPR London, or here is SPR telephone number 0044 0207 9378984

They are always very helpful.

Thanks but can you tell mee what they critisais ore are they just investigathe ?

What they criticize !!

Jane you seem to focus alot of energy into wanting to know the negative side of the investigation into phenomena, maybe what makes me question this is I have always been a one who focuses on the positive, it's almost like you want to to find out bad things, thats just the impression you give across.

I suggest you read the Scole Report, it makes interesting read, I am sure you will enjoy

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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:25 pm

obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

There have been people in the history of Spiritualism who have had wonderful spiritual gifts, but haven't fitted into any of our understanding. We need to be aware, otherwise me might miss something thats quite unique! It may have seemed that way at the end but remember we are dealing with or should I say the Scole group where dealing with something not of our world, so to really understand and grasp it, it isn't always easy, but we shouldn't dismiss it or we may miss something very special. But I do understand where you are coming from obiwan Smile

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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:43 pm

Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:If the shool example are soo good it wuld have continjuing and never stopt!, sorry there are more ??? mark den it is a marveles story!

I am sure it has it's reasons for ceasing, such a shame it did! But it's like everything, sometimes things happen for a reason, it surely doesn't mean that it wasn't genuine because it stopped operation. I aware Robin and Sandra now sit for phenomena in Spain, and I wish them continued success like anyone who has a passion for the Spirit.

I whish them sucess aswell but if he is as spiritual as he meet mee it whil not bee of any whalju, you shuld liv as you preach.
I dont aprow what he is doing in PM4U - letting circles telling there developing in there - i ghes it whil end up the same thing in his cirkel.

Every ending is a new beginning Smile

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Post by mac on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:51 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

There have been people in the history of Spiritualism who have had wonderful spiritual gifts, but haven't fitted into any of our understanding. We need to be aware, otherwise me might miss something thats quite unique! It may have seemed that way at the end but remember we are dealing with or should I say the Scole group where dealing with something not of our world, so to really understand and grasp it, it isn't always easy, but we shouldn't dismiss it or we may miss something very special. But I do understand where you are coming from obiwan Smile

I'd caution about ascribing too much to the NSSF - the Scole Group as it's better known nowadays. Not of this world? Hardly. What went wrong appeared to me to be very much of this world and I said so at that time.... I've repeated myself on times too numerous and boring to mention.

Having been a dedicated supporter throughout the time of the so-called experiment I was dismayed and disillusioned to my core at the eventual outcome, an outcome with little achieved saved for spectacular physical phenomena. As for the reporting of the final events I respect the honesty that the Foundation did report back but decry that they should ever have happened.....

Since simply producing phenomena wasn't the aim of the experiment, it fell well short for me of the goal of achieving predictable, reliable results demonstrating survival beyond death.

And I was around the whole of that time; I'm not having to rely on historical published accounts.

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Post by mac on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:54 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
Jane Lyzell wrote:No havent reed that one then - where can i goth hold of that (if it is intresting) can you tell some what they were qwestejing?

You could contact the SPR, just google SPR London, or here is SPR telephone number 0044 0207 9378984

They are always very helpful.

Thanks but can you tell mee what they critisais ore are they just investigathe ?

What they criticize !!

Jane you seem to focus alot of energy into wanting to know the negative side of the investigation into phenomena, maybe what makes me question this is I have always been a one who focuses on the positive, it's almost like you want to to find out bad things, thats just the impression you give across.

I suggest you read the Scole Report, it makes interesting read, I am sure you will enjoy

As posted elsewhere, the report is only part of the story.

If negative implies an unwillingness to accept without critical analysis then count me! And with me you'll find someone who's posted extensively both positively and negatively, based on what I've seen and what I've learned....

I expect you use the same basis for your comments?

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Post by obiwan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:55 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:
obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

There have been people in the history of Spiritualism who have had wonderful spiritual gifts, but haven't fitted into any of our understanding. We need to be aware, otherwise me might miss something thats quite unique! It may have seemed that way at the end but remember we are dealing with or should I say the Scole group where dealing with something not of our world, so to really understand and grasp it, it isn't always easy, but we shouldn't dismiss it or we may miss something very special. But I do understand where you are coming from obiwan Smile

For the record, I am only interested in evidence Robert and the quality of it. Not that my opinion matters on the subject, other than to me. I am not a Spiritualist and have no interest in Spiritualism as an organised religion. I am not a believer.

The Scole phenomena may be all that is claimed, and they may not. I do not know. I must, in order to reach a decision, look at all the evidence provided, not just the bits that appeal to me (or the bits that don't). There were many very interesting phenomena reported in the Scole Experiment, and I have a lot of time for David Fontana's opinion, however he had little experience investigating phenomena (mainly I suspect because there aren't that many opportunities). Toward the end of the experiment where there appeared to be communicators from other planets (among other things) and other strange communications, I think the experiment lost it's way and became 'incredible' in the wrong way. That doesn't of course mean that none of the phenomena were valid. My recollection of the evidence from the Experiment was that there was very little, if any, survival evidence given (I am happy to be corrected as it is some time since I last read the report).

Now as someone not present at the demonstrations, what impression am I to form? I find the bag of phenomena reported too diverse and varying in evidential quality for me to regard the report as much more than simply interesting.


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Post by mac on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:56 pm

obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

The whole business was a good story with a #### ending, my duck friend..... Sad

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Post by obiwan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:57 pm

mac wrote:
obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

The whole business was a good story with a #### ending, my duck friend..... Sad
I couldn't have put it better myself Mac (which isn't as much of a compliment as it might sound) lol!

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Post by a on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:04 pm

mac wrote:
RobertCollierJames wrote:
obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

There have been people in the history of Spiritualism who have had wonderful spiritual gifts, but haven't fitted into any of our understanding. We need to be aware, otherwise me might miss something thats quite unique! It may have seemed that way at the end but remember we are dealing with or should I say the Scole group where dealing with something not of our world, so to really understand and grasp it, it isn't always easy, but we shouldn't dismiss it or we may miss something very special. But I do understand where you are coming from obiwan Smile

I'd caution about ascribing too much to the NSSF - the Scole Group as it's better known nowadays. Not of this world? Hardly. What went wrong appeared to me to be very much of this world and I said so at that time.... I've repeated myself on times too numerous and boring to mention.

Having been a dedicated supporter throughout the time of the so-called experiment I was dismayed and disillusioned to my core at the eventual outcome, an outcome with little achieved saved for spectacular physical phenomena. As for the reporting of the final events I respect the honesty that the Foundation did report back but decry that they should ever have happened.....

Since simply producing phenomena wasn't the aim of the experiment, it fell well short for me of the goal of achieving predictable, reliable results demonstrating survival beyond death.

And I was around the whole of that time; I'm not having to rely on historical published accounts.

Your entitled to your opinion but just because it didn't go in the direction you would be satisfied with you dismiss it. There was wonderful evidence of survival provided by the spirit communicator Mrs. Emily Bradshaw, the evidence is there for all to see! Perhaps you need to ask Spirit why it didn't achieve reliable results because clearly the evidence is there! Within physical phenomena suitable conditions are not always available and the other world have expressed this time and time again, it's not always easy producing physical phenomena, but I feel the other world should be acknowledged for there efforts at the Scole group.

When people knock and put down genuine people for sitting and experimenting with phenomena be it physical or mental they fail to realise they are also knocking the Spirit

Now I rest my case lol!


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Post by mac on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:05 pm

obiwan wrote:
mac wrote:
obiwan wrote:I have to say the Scole Report was interesting until it seemed to go somewhat off the rails towards the end.

The whole business was a good story with a #### ending, my duck friend..... Sad
I couldn't have put it better myself Mac (which isn't as much of a compliment as it might sound) lol!

From my highly-knowledgeable duck friend it's a great compliment and accepted as such.... Smile

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Post by obiwan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:20 pm

RobertCollierJames wrote:When people knock and put down genuine people for sitting and experimenting with phenomena be it physical or mental they fail to realise they are also knocking the Spirit
The spirit world, if it exists at all, seems to me to be composed of people like you and I, with varying degrees of competence and experience. You seem to be equating observation and reasonable criticism as 'knocking down'. What do you propose we do? Simply accept what we are being told on the word of strangers, however eloquent or respected? Whilst that may be acceptable to some, it wouldn't be to many and is no answer to a rational, reasonable skeptic.

The Scole Report was interesting in many places I would say. If there is any fault for the deficiencies in evidence, if such they were, then it is hard to determine who would be to blame or what the reason might be. Frankly the end of the report was bonkers in my opinion. If 'spirit' as you refer to them are responsible for the poor evidential value of the report in places, then they may be fairly criticised in the same way as any other participant surely?

If a group want to experience phenomena privately then all that matters is that the participants are happy with the phenomena and evidence produced. If the event is to be presented as earth-shattering, then one should expect some critical analysis. No?

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